The fuck are you on? “Destroy” stone? There is a vast gulf of difference between altering something, including in creative and constructive ways, and “destruction.” Most of us know the difference today and our ancestors certainly knew the difference. Human labor is in general a constructive force even if it can be used to destructive ends. Saying that “our willingness to destroy is the trait that powered our rise” is ahistorical nonsense and anti-human drivel. But it sounds an awful lot like the lying justifications the small subset of the current ruling class likes to use as an excuse and justification to exploit us and actually destroy our environment for the sake of their own narrow profit and greed. But that’s no more of a universal human trait than any other disgusting pathology that a select few are afflicted with.
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pigslop@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Our willingness and ability to destroy is the trait that has powered our rise. After all, if our ancestors never chose to destroy wood to make fire, or destroy stone to extract minerals, none of what came after would be possible.
QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
Thassodar@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
This is an extreme response to what I think amounts to a “shower thought”. Bringing the ruling class into it… I don’t get it.
QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
Bringing the ruling class into it… I don’t get it.
The idea that humans and human progress are inherently destructive is a lie told by the ruling class because getting people to believe it benefits them. Among other things it absolves them of their own crimes of destruction while simultaneously blaming the rest of us and our positive traits for those crimes. Somewhat ironically it’s a lie that helps lead to more destruction. See my other response to u/Sagittari.
QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
To be clear, where I was using the word “them” I meant the ruling class, not people in general. I see how some of my sentences weren’t worded well.
pigslop@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Spot on
pigslop@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Man I fucking hate this garbage fediverse shit. Literally worse than reddit. Cannot post anything without some sweaty unwashed asshole reading way too far into what you said and then getting mad at you, over their own imagined shit. FUCK OFF I’M NOT DEBATING YOU THIS IS NOT A SERIOUS TOPIC AND YOU’RE A FUCKING JOKE
Sagittarii@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Calm down bro 😭 it’s a reasonable thing to point out when presented with “Our ability to destroy is the trait that has powered our rise”
Maybe could’ve done without the “The fuck are you on?” though I guess
QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
Maybe could’ve done without the “The fuck are you on?” though I guess
To me it’s honestly a disgusting thing to claim that human progress and creativity is all based on destruction when in reality it’s the exact opposite. I don’t think my response was at all over the top given how harmful of a sentiment I think that is.
This stuff matters. Our biosphere is facing destruction at human hands but not because of our desire to create and build things, not because of our ability to express ourselves through our ingenuity to shape stone and wood. Those are not “destructive traits” but profoundly constructuve attributes. The destruction on the scale that it’s happening now to both the environment and much of human culture is because of, like I said, a social pathology that’s rooted in a system that rewards greed instead of trying to prevent it. It is a pathology that tries to equate greed and destruction with the creative aspects of human nature… just like the comment I responded to was doing. It’s a lie. Even if someone who has fallen for it may be well-meaning, they’re still perpetuating a very harmful (and destrctive!) misconception. So I think it deserves a strong, even emotionally-charged critical response.
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
4/10. The immediate extreme response is a solid opener. I do like how you bring the entire fediverse into it which could broaden the appeal. However this is much too short and not nearly unhinged enough for a good copy pasta. Sentence structure is too proper, too. Maybe try some good run ons, add at least two more paragraphs, and include completely irrelevant topics with no attempt to link it to what you’re replying to. I’m proud of how well you do and think you can go places with some practice
InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I love how this comment describes itself.
samus12345@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
A certain amount of ruthlessness was certainly needed for us to survive - it’s a harsh, unforgiving world. Turns out it’s a hard habit to break.
queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
There’s an obvious difference between destroying a flower to eat it or use for making medicine, as opposed to burning it for fun.