Comment on No one really understands our struggle

• Cruxifux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Also, some topics take a lot of nuance time to explain properly. Unless you think the concept of “books” is stupid for some reason, which I’m starting to suspect that you do.

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  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If someone is trying to convince you that vaccines are bad and their only argument is “read this book and you’ll see what I’m talking about” are you going to read the book? No.

    Other anti-vaxxers replying with “I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, that’s what the book says!” Does not contribute to the argument.

    You want to convince people something is true you need to present them with an argument, not a book report. If they already think you’re an idiot they’re not going to read your idiot book. When they present counter arguments that is your opportunity to present any nuance you have.

    To put another way: it’s not my job to make your argument for you by studying a topic I don’t agree with.

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    • Cruxifux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nobody is asking you to study the topic, but when the topic is “did Adam Smith like landlords” and you say “no” and then refuse to read what he actually said about it or listen to people who actually have read it then you look like an idiot. Like sorry bud, that’s how it is.

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      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Nobody is asking you to study the topic

        The person insisting I read 57 310 words, while providing no quotes, context, or arguments of their own is.

        or listen to people who actually have read it

        You mean like this post here:

        I read through until chapter 1 in that section you linked and he is pretty scathing of landlords and if I understand it correctly his argument is that landlords exist solely to soak up all extra profits above what would leave the tenant just enough to survive.

        To which the response was simply “Read more”? No counter arguments. Just “If you don’t agree with me yet you haven’t studied the topic enough. Study it more until you agree with me.”

        Ya, I wonder why they got downvotes…

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    • Cruxifux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The argument was that Adam Smith hated landlords, which is incorrect, and he was citing his source you fucking sausage hahaha

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• Cruxifux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  He did summarize it though.

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  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There was no summary. Best was

    Adam Smith justifies the existence of rent as improvement in the value of land.

    “Some guy said rent is good” does not summarize why rent is good. At best it’s an appeal to authority.

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    • Cruxifux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      He’s not “some guy”, he’s Adam Smith, one of the main political philosophers responsible for what we know now as capitalism. And it’s a common misconception by people that don’t actually read books that he thinks that landlords, as we have them currently, were bad. Which isn’t true. He summarized it for you and then also added the whole “harvesting kelp” part as well, and then suggested if you want to understand more the nuances of how he feels about landlords you can read more about it. And for some reason you’re like “fuck you” hahaha

      Like dude, I don’t get what your issue here is. It sounds like you’re just being bitchy for bitches sake.

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      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Like dude, I don’t get what your issue here is. It sounds like you’re just being bitchy for bitches sake.

        The projection is strong in this one.

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