Comment on More than 100 arrested in London as violence flares after Southport stabbings
Streamwave@feddit.uk 1 month ago
There’s a lot of simmering anger, resentment and frustration in many communities in this country. It’s been building for years. The stabbing of those poor girls at their dance class seems to have been the straw that broke the camel’s back.
This isn’t just the EDL (an organisation which disbanded more than a decade ago), this is thousands of English people who are furious. We can try and understand the sources of that fury, and then begin the work to resolve it, or we’ll keep getting these sorts of horrid outbreaks of ugly violence.
People imagining something awful for years will be triggered when it finally (allegedly) happens but their fears are ultimately based on fearmongering.
Plenty of people are scared of the two assasinations of MPs by right wing lunatics.
Or that mosque pipe bombing
Or lots of other thanks that happen over and over because of these problematic communities you mention. Do we really need to understand the hate and intolerance to punish it? I don’t think so
Plenty of people are scared of the two assasinations of MPs by right wing lunatics.
One of them was a far-right lunatic, but the man who assassinated David Amess was a London-born radicalised Muslim affiliated with ISIL
Fair point, although I’d consider islamic extremism to be pretty far right. It’s just a different branch of far right to the BNP/EDL-style nationalism.
I think bundling the two together obscures more than it illuminates. I don’t think it’s any less serious (in fact in some regards it’s more dangerous), just that it doesn’t fit with normal far-right characteristics. To take one important difference, the far-right are ultra-nationalists, while Islamic fundamentalists are strictly anti-nationalist – they don’t recognise the legitimacy of nation-states to exist at all. They also tend to be pretty unconcerned with race or ethnicity in themselves, whereas that’s obviously a major thing for Neo-Nazis and other Fascists. And it makes it harder to identify and address the problem, because the sources and drivers of far-right extremism are separate and often unrelated to the sources of Islamic fundamentalism and radicalisation.
It’s a fair point, thanks for the correction.
Not sure how I got the wrong impression, probably heard he’d been killed for being too woke or something.
For a lot of people they voted for Brexit for lower immigration even when people said it would be bad for the economy. Instead they got more immigration from the third world.
Consistently for decades the British have wanted less immigration and instead got more.
Surprised it has taken this long really.
jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 month ago
We don’t know the details yet. But, if this stabber was a white kid, we’d all be talking about mental health. Non-white kids of immigrants can also have mental health issue. But the worse of country jump straight to racism, blaming the culture of the immigrant. If this lad grew up here, he has been surrounded by our culture. If there is mental health issues, it’s our fault it wasn’t caught in time. If he went mental for cultural reasons, we can’t wash our hands of that either. If we want assimilation, we can’t other people.
symthetics@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Well said.
jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Thank you. I expected to be download badly. Nice to be wrong about that.