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TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 4 months agoThe USSR lost more, spent more, and was more affected than the USA in WWII.
Deleting them from your history makes that history wrong and dumb.
Straight facts.
The Soviets could not have won without the Lend Lease, even Stalin admitted this.
Of course, if Stalin hadn’t murdered half of their officers and had an icepick put in the brains of the guy who built the Red Army in the first place it might have been a different story.
You still didn’t say that USA would have won without UK, France and USSR
Would have? Who knows?
Could have? Yes.
America had an incredibly privileged strategic position compared to the Axis, and didn’t share a land border with any of them.
The fears of an Axis invasion were simply impossible. The US Pacific fleet matched the Japanese and the Atlantic was stronger than Italy and Germany combined at the start of the war, just counting battleships and screens and ignoring that America was already moving towards a carrier based fleet unlike both of them. There is no world in which America falls to a naval invasion before it had time to mobilize.
And, unlike the Axis, America was and is the world’s largest oil producer. It could afford to run its Navy day and night.
The only way the the Axis wins this hypothetical is if America was alone because it went full non-interventionist (like the Republican party wanted) and the Axis conquered the rest of the world first.
That all said, these circumstances would almost certainly lead to a stalemate rather than Axis capitulation. The Axis navies get destroyed (again), but America probably wouldn’t be willing to pay the blood price to invade them, and the Manhattan Project was unlikely to succeed without the contributions of non-Americans.
From the American perspective, however, a stalemate is a victory. It’s a defensive war and the goal is survival, not conquest.
No UK = no magnetron, no radars, no computers, no cracking Enigmas
KevonLooney@lemm.ee 4 months ago
How can they “spend more” than the US? They were literally given materiel and money by the US. The money the USSR spent was from the West.
The European war was fought with Russian troops, British intelligence, and American money. Also, there was an entire other war in the Pacific that the US fought at the same time. It’s not possible for the Soviets to have spent more, just based on that fact alone.
Miaou@jlai.lu 4 months ago
You know Russia was also involved in the east right? God American education is hopeless
KevonLooney@lemm.ee 4 months ago
We’re talking about spending money on the war. The Soviets fought Japan for a period of 26 days:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Japanese_War
napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org 4 months ago
Lend-Lease was absolutely important when it came to specific material (e.g. trucks, aviation fuel). But in total numbers it was still only 4% of Soviet War production. I don’t know who spent more money in the war (and it is irrelevant really when you look at dozens of millions of deaths), but Lend-Lease alone does not answer that question.