Comment on if the total fertility rate drops and stays below global replacement rate, will humans disappear?

• LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I like how we phrase this as “better education” and “better career opportunities for women”. While technically true relative to poor countries, these explain nothing about why fertility rates are so low. But they are related, but framing them differently will help us understand.

  Why do people have fewer kids? Because economic life in most developed countries is relatively unstable, and to ensure economic stability, we require people to develop years of education and work experience to receive a comfortable salary. In many places we now require two such incomes. This mean women really don’t have a choice but to pursue advanced education and work, whether they want to or not. And we are not willing to accommodate children during education or work. This means women (and increasingly men too) are severely penalized economically for having children, and so of course people will have far fewer on average.

  If you look at the very wealthy,

  In developing countries, children often mean free labor and form the basis of your retirement through elder care, so while the economic conditions are of course worse overall, the opposite incentives exist.

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  • The_v@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In poorer countries, the investment into each child is minimal. By the time they were 8 or 9 years old they were expected to contribute to the family. Higher child mortality rates also plays into this, as most families lose a few kids to disease etc. Children are seen as a commodity that they control to make the parents/grandparents lives better.

    In industrialized societies the amount of resources dedicated to each child is more than the the resources dedicated to 5 or 6 families in poorer countries. Children are dependent on their parents well into adulthood. As the cost to raise the kids increase the average family size decreases because of limited resources.

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    • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Good points. Hard to cover everything on such a multi-faceted issue but those are all important factors as well.

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  • FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yea I completely agree with everything you said. Life in rich countries doesn’t mean that everyone is rich and lazy and fat. I mean just look at the US. So many people live in poverty and literally cannot afford kids.

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    • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well I’m glad it made sense since I put my phone down and accidentally posted while I was still drafting it lol

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  • abbadon420@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The retirement plan goes for rich countries too. But different. With elder care going the way it’s going, you’d be happy to get someone to help you shower once per month. Children can help you with a lot once you’re old and fragile.

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    • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      True! This might be part of why we see poorer families having more kids, in addition to the fact that lower educational attainment expectations make it easier to get pregnant younger.

      For more middle and upper-class families you typically send them to a retirement home so it’s not something people are as worried about.

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