Comment on Alexa had “no profit timeline,” cost Amazon $25 billion in 4 years

t3rmit3@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Amazon sold at a loss, but I don’t imagine the employees or suppliers and their employees feel like being paid was a waste.

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  • bl4kers@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Well, sure, but I’m sure most coal miners don’t feel super great about their specific job and profession generally. It’s a waste of resources and capital generally, not at a zoomed in level

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    • towerful@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      If you think coal mines are bad, wait till you see the conditions in the Alexa mines!

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• sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I wouldn’t describe it as wasted, even at a stretch. Alexa drives tonnes of money Amazon’s way.

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  • t3rmit3@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Not according to the article:

    Per “former employees on the Alexa shopping team” that WSJ spoke with, however, the amount of shopping revenue tied to Alexa is insignificant.

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    • sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Think of it like Chrome. Doesn’t directly generate money, but generates a lot of money

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      • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Except Chrome doesn’t lose a ton of money.

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Does the article say how the Alexa unit has absolutely no access control? Kids ordering dollhouses? Check. The news on TV triggering a response? Daily.

      They can’t expect us to link our visa cards to something that doesn’t even know “this is little Billy” – actually it can discern people – “who should never be able to buy stuff” – which it can’t do.

      The units are bad: no authorization and no auditing. Neighbor tried to order you 200 rakes as he rolled past your garage? You’ll get your f’n rake back, Dennis, just fuck off and don’t bug me every month.

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      • Vodulas@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        That was true when they first came out, but they have added options for a pin and auto ordering is off by default.

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  • MagicShel@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I agree. Plus, right now Alexa is somewhat integrated with my life. I’m constantly interacting with Amazon’s ecosystem. Take that away, and it becomes another online retailer (a hugely important one, but nonetheless…) and movie rental service. I could easily step away from Amazon in a way that is more difficult today.

    Multiply that across their customers and is the value 6 billion per year? I don’t know, that’s a lot of money, but it’s not a simple cost analysis.

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    • jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Amazon claims to have Alexa on 100 million devices, so $6 billion/year would be $60/user/year.

      It’s not peanuts, but… Amazon Prime has 230 million subscribers worldwide, that is $140/user/year.

      Sounds like one could be financing the other.

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• DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Hey, bud?

  Maybe you should think about how they could possibly waste all that money will turning a profit. Then ask yourself what other industries are doing the same thing?

  Is it, maybe, just maybe, all of them?

  Is that why you’re expected to work a job you hate until the day you die despite productivity being higher than it’s ever been?

  Like, absurdly so. Maybe ask yourself why society could function reasonably well when a farmer could feed five people but things are more or less the same but with cellphones when they feed 150 instead.

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• jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It could’ve helped 0 people… because people with the $25 billion want to say “Alexa, do this”, instead of sitting on their sofas an reveling on how they sent $60/year to help someone they don’t know, out of which 90% went to finance the people helping, not the helped ones.

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  • t3rmit3@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Consumers didn’t themselves have, or pay Amazon, the $25b, Amazon had it.

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    • jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It wasn’t an investment round, Amazon got it from customers. Then, from among the options of:

      • Let customers say "Alexa do this"
      • Give each customer a $60/year discount coupon
      • Spend it on charity
      • Build a 300ft tall golden statue of Jeff Bezos

      …Amazon decided that people would give it even more money, if it did the Alexa thing.

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