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• frankPodmore@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The Tuskegee Experiment was not a conspiracy theory. So, in that sense you’re right.

  Conspiracy theories and theorists are homogenous: the flawed thinking is inherent to the concept. Conspiracy theories are untrue by definition, and nothing to do with real conspiracies.

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  • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Fuck off. The Tuskegee Experiment was a conspiracy. A group of people secretly performed illegal medical experiments on the African American population.

    Conspiracy theories and theorists are homogenous.

    Only within each conspiracy. Oliver Stone believes the JFK conspiracy theory but I doubt he believes the elite are literallypolo lizard people.

    the flawed thinking is inherent to the concept

    Incorrect. An illegal agreement between two or more parties has no connection to how logical the process is of whoever is suspicious.

    Conspiracy theories are untrue by definition,

    Incorrect. They are unproven by definition. They may be true or false.

    and nothing to do with real conspiracies.

    Real (I assume you mean proven) conspiracies start off as theories.

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    • frankPodmore@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Real (I assume you mean proven) conspiracies start off as theories.

      No, they don’t. Conspiracy theories are not ‘theories about conspiracies’. You are both misusing the term ‘conspiracy theory’ and wrongly describing the Tuskegee experiment as a conspiracy, which it never was. One of the people who originally called it out did so after reading about it in a published scientific paper! The pereptrators of that ‘experiment’ lied to the participants, but they were not otherwise secretive, otherwise they wouldn’t have been writing and publishing papers about it.

      Fuck off

      I’m not going to discuss this further with someone who cannot do so civilly.

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      • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You are misusing the term ‘conspiracy theory’

        I am not. The words conspiracy and theory are very well defined. Do the words scientific and theory change definition to “untrue physical properties” when used together. No.

        Lets put it another way. How would you like to describe a situation where you suspect a group of people to be secretly deceiving the general public?

        The pereptrators of that ‘experiment’ lied to the participants, but they were not otherwise secretive, otherwise they wouldn’t have been writing and publishing papers about it.

        Conspiracies can be documented. The only reason MKUltra was confirmed was because the CIA forgot to destroy some files.

        “Study clinicians could have chosen to treat all syphilitic subjects and close the study, or split off a control group for testing with penicillin. Instead, they continued the study without treating any participants; they withheld treatment and information about penicillin from the subjects. In addition, scientists prevented participants from accessing syphilis treatment programs available to other residents in the area”.

        #That’s a conspiracy.

        I’m not going to discuss this further with someone who cannot do so civilly.

        Check my history. I am civil, except to people trying to deny secret government sponsored human suffering.

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