A far more effective tool
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KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts 2 months agoTeens have been making fake porn for ever. Photoshop someones head on another body. Cut a classmates photo and tape to a magazine centre fold. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment. This is just another tool.
mamotromico@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment.
This is my thought on it. Deliberately exposing the “model” to such a thing is fucked up. It’s sexual harassment, even if the level of realism is “text only”. But, people should be allowed to make and consume whatever kind of non-real porn they want in private.
This is not what the law says in many nations, including my own, I should note.
acastcandream@beehaw.org 2 months ago
“People been killing each other for ever. Stabbing someone’s chest. Smashing their head in with a rock. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for murder. Grenades are just another tool.”
At some point this AI-evangelist “it’s just a tool” argument stops holding water. We can’t just enable all people to do things 1) rapidly and 2) at scale without any consideration for how they will use it.
davehtaylor@beehaw.org 2 months ago
This right here.
I’m so fucking sick of the “it’s just a tool” or “sO YoU wANna BAn EvErYthiNG?!” bullshit. It’s all bad faith garbage that people hide behind because they want the results of these “tools.” They want the AI porn fakes of teenagers and celebrities (because they’re pathetic creeps and incels with no concept of dignity or consent). They want to be able to rip off actual artists so they can pretend like they’ve done something “creative” so they can get social media clout. They’re completely unserious people who can’t be reasoned with. They need to be shunned and shamed.
jarfil@beehaw.org 2 months ago
That’s a lack of vision.
I want… people to put on a VR set, and fuck off to their fantasy world instead of messing up IRL. I want creepy incels, rapists, and similar, to have a means to act out their creepiness without impacting real people’s lives. Even more, I want them to prefer their virtual fantasies, because the can control them with a push of a button, instead of brainwashing and winding ways to control real people.
The faster that AI+VR gets more realistic and easier to use, the better for everyone.
Rekorse@beehaw.org 2 months ago
I don’t believe that there are any studies that have shown that acting out fantasies in virtual spaces will reduce actions being taken out on real people.
Since it seems like your argument rests on that, do you have anything you can reference to back up the claim?
davehtaylor@beehaw.org 2 months ago
You seem to not understand the scale at which these things operate. We’re not talking about niche tools that only incels and creeps will use to jerk off to CP, we’re talking about tools that can be used to manipulate, spread mis- and disinformation, and imitate actual people doing things they wouldn’t normally do, and can do so at a scale that is exponentially greater than anything we’ve ever seen.
Go take a look at Facebook. Log out of YouTube and look at the front page. Try to do a Google search. Look at the absolute flood of AI generated shit. I know a lot of authors of short fiction, and the publications that they submit to that normally see a couple hundred to a couple thousands of submission per month have been flooded with hundreds of thousands of submissions per month, all AI garbage.
Now imagine it becomes so good that it’s indistinguishable from the real. Pics, vids, articles. The scale and speed at which people can create society-level harm and destroy lives is incomprehensible. This is not a “think of the children” thing. This is an inflection point where you will never know if the video you just saw of a political candidate calling for the extermination of X group is real or not. But the harms and consequences will be real. You will see revenge porn not just of nudes, but of videos of people seemingly doing horrific acts, and having their lives ruined because of it. And it will happen so fast and in such a flood that nothing will be able to stop it or counter it, because no one will see the truth buried in the inundation.
Again, we could do some of this now, but not at the unimaginable scale or speed that AI generation allows for.
This is not a good thing. And if this is the world you want, then there is no reasoning with you. You are truly lost.
jarfil@beehaw.org 2 months ago
Imaginary grenades.
Check out the gaming industry, where a kid from the other side of the world can tell you how they will “kill your mom, r*pe your sister, and make you watch” (sic), just before killing and teabagging your corpse in-game. At some point the “it’s just a game” also stops holding water… and yet somehow most people are capable of differentiating the “tool” from the piece of shit using it.
Regarding DUI laws, they’re also wrong, focusing on the effect instead of on the cause.
AI is not the cause for generating deep fakes, just like DUI is not the cause for getting drunk, and games are not the cause for being a piece of shit.
Ain’t it interesting how coming up with a consistent framework, makes it applicable to different areas of life?
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Having porn made of you is imaginary?
The video game doesn’t produce anything.
DUIs can be reduced with public transportation. What do you propose reduces… porn fakes?
Fucking lol.
My problem with machine learning porn is that it’s artless generic template spam clogging up my feed of shit I actually want to see. But you know, to each their own.
jarfil@beehaw.org 2 months ago
“Porn made of me”? You mean, by paying me to sign an agreement, or by drugging and/or forcing me…? Just to be perfectly clear: I’m not a photo.
Are we talking about the game’s video capture, or the feeling of wanting to puke onto that piece of shit until it drowns?
Something like “teaching your brat”. Porn fakes don’t even become a problem until they get distributed to others. Adults can go to jail, it works on some.
That… has more to do with tagging and filtering, rather than anything mentioned above.
It’s also somewhat weird to diss the “template” of an AI output, when porn videos have settled on a template script for about half a century already. If anything, I’ve seen more variety from people shoving their prompts into some AI, than from porn producers all my life (japanese “not-a-porn” ingenuity excluded).
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
I mean, there’s people that think you should be able to own grenades, too. This is actually a bigger philosophical question that deserved a rigorous answer.
acastcandream@beehaw.org 2 months ago
Those people are wrong.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
Maybe. Most people would agree. But why? Unless you talk about that it’s just flaming back forth, which is not worthy of anyone’s attention.