that is not an argument against AI. We didn’t ban photoshop because people did face swaps.
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MonkderDritte@feddit.de 2 months agoTeens use it to generate porn with real classmates.
istanbullu@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
leds@feddit.dk 2 months ago
The harm is in the realisms , this matter when AI generated parn is shared with others.
lowleveldata@programming.dev 2 months ago
They are doing it anyway. It’s a plus if they learn one thing or two while doing it
davehtaylor@beehaw.org 2 months ago
Hang on. Are you actually saying that making fake porn of teenagers without their consent is a good thing because it teaches valuable skills?!
jarfil@beehaw.org 2 months ago
Right? Who will think of the children! Before computer porn, we used to imagine out classmates, TV hosts, celebrities, and neighbors. Now that (imagination) was a valuable skill!
(I mean, some would also cut&paste faces from one photo onto another, with scissors and glue… but most just used our imagination)
sonori@beehaw.org 2 months ago
You can’t publicly share nudes from your imagination or pass them out to your friends with five minutes work, something you basically definitionallly have to be doing in order to get caught.
Revenge porn is absolutely a serious method of harassment that does routinely end in suicide even for adults, and it is absurd to compare making it so easy that kids can do it to someone they’ve never talked to in minutes to fantasizing about their classmates.
KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts 2 months ago
Teens have been making fake porn for ever. Photoshop someones head on another body. Cut a classmates photo and tape to a magazine centre fold. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment. This is just another tool.
acastcandream@beehaw.org 2 months ago
“People been killing each other for ever. Stabbing someone’s chest. Smashing their head in with a rock. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for murder. Grenades are just another tool.”
At some point this AI-evangelist “it’s just a tool” argument stops holding water. We can’t just enable all people to do things 1) rapidly and 2) at scale without any consideration for how they will use it.
davehtaylor@beehaw.org 2 months ago
This right here.
I’m so fucking sick of the “it’s just a tool” or “sO YoU wANna BAn EvErYthiNG?!” bullshit. It’s all bad faith garbage that people hide behind because they want the results of these “tools.” They want the AI porn fakes of teenagers and celebrities (because they’re pathetic creeps and incels with no concept of dignity or consent). They want to be able to rip off actual artists so they can pretend like they’ve done something “creative” so they can get social media clout. They’re completely unserious people who can’t be reasoned with. They need to be shunned and shamed.
jarfil@beehaw.org 2 months ago
That’s a lack of vision.
I want… people to put on a VR set, and fuck off to their fantasy world instead of messing up IRL. I want creepy incels, rapists, and similar, to have a means to act out their creepiness without impacting real people’s lives. Even more, I want them to prefer their virtual fantasies, because the can control them with a push of a button, instead of brainwashing and winding ways to control real people.
The faster that AI+VR gets more realistic and easier to use, the better for everyone.
jarfil@beehaw.org 2 months ago
Imaginary grenades.
Check out the gaming industry, where a kid from the other side of the world can tell you how they will “kill your mom, r*pe your sister, and make you watch” (sic), just before killing and teabagging your corpse in-game. At some point the “it’s just a game” also stops holding water… and yet somehow most people are capable of differentiating the “tool” from the piece of shit using it.
Regarding DUI laws, they’re also wrong, focusing on the effect instead of on the cause.
AI is not the cause for generating deep fakes, just like DUI is not the cause for getting drunk, and games are not the cause for being a piece of shit.
Ain’t it interesting how coming up with a consistent framework, makes it applicable to different areas of life?
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Having porn made of you is imaginary?
The video game doesn’t produce anything.
DUIs can be reduced with public transportation. What do you propose reduces… porn fakes?
Fucking lol.
My problem with machine learning porn is that it’s artless generic template spam clogging up my feed of shit I actually want to see. But you know, to each their own.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
I mean, there’s people that think you should be able to own grenades, too. This is actually a bigger philosophical question that deserved a rigorous answer.
acastcandream@beehaw.org 2 months ago
Those people are wrong.
mamotromico@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
A far more effective tool
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
This is my thought on it. Deliberately exposing the “model” to such a thing is fucked up. It’s sexual harassment, even if the level of realism is “text only”. But, people should be allowed to make and consume whatever kind of non-real porn they want in private.
This is not what the law says in many nations, including my own, I should note.