Comment on 4chan Is Using TikTok Owner ByteDance's Hidden AI App to Generate Porn

istanbullu@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• MonkderDritte@feddit.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Teens use it to generate porn with real classmates.

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  • KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Teens have been making fake porn for ever. Photoshop someones head on another body. Cut a classmates photo and tape to a magazine centre fold. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment. This is just another tool.

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    • acastcandream@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “People been killing each other for ever. Stabbing someone’s chest. Smashing their head in with a rock. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for murder. Grenades are just another tool.”

      At some point this AI-evangelist “it’s just a tool” argument stops holding water. We can’t just enable all people to do things 1) rapidly and 2) at scale without any consideration for how they will use it.

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      • davehtaylor@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This right here.

        I’m so fucking sick of the “it’s just a tool” or “sO YoU wANna BAn EvErYthiNG?!” bullshit. It’s all bad faith garbage that people hide behind because they want the results of these “tools.” They want the AI porn fakes of teenagers and celebrities (because they’re pathetic creeps and incels with no concept of dignity or consent). They want to be able to rip off actual artists so they can pretend like they’ve done something “creative” so they can get social media clout. They’re completely unserious people who can’t be reasoned with. They need to be shunned and shamed.

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      • jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Imaginary grenades.

        Check out the gaming industry, where a kid from the other side of the world can tell you how they will “kill your mom, r*pe your sister, and make you watch” (sic), just before killing and teabagging your corpse in-game. At some point the “it’s just a game” also stops holding water… and yet somehow most people are capable of differentiating the “tool” from the piece of shit using it.

        Regarding DUI laws, they’re also wrong, focusing on the effect instead of on the cause.

        AI is not the cause for generating deep fakes, just like DUI is not the cause for getting drunk, and games are not the cause for being a piece of shit.

        Ain’t it interesting how coming up with a consistent framework, makes it applicable to different areas of life?

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      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I mean, there’s people that think you should be able to own grenades, too. This is actually a bigger philosophical question that deserved a rigorous answer.

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    • mamotromico@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A far more effective tool

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    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment.

      This is my thought on it. Deliberately exposing the “model” to such a thing is fucked up. It’s sexual harassment, even if the level of realism is “text only”. But, people should be allowed to make and consume whatever kind of non-real porn they want in private.

      This is not what the law says in many nations, including my own, I should note.

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  • istanbullu@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    that is not an argument against AI. We didn’t ban photoshop because people did face swaps.

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    • leds@feddit.dk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The harm is in the realisms , this matter when AI generated parn is shared with others.

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  • lowleveldata@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They are doing it anyway. It’s a plus if they learn one thing or two while doing it

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    • davehtaylor@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hang on. Are you actually saying that making fake porn of teenagers without their consent is a good thing because it teaches valuable skills?!

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      • jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Right? Who will think of the children! Before computer porn, we used to imagine out classmates, TV hosts, celebrities, and neighbors. Now that (imagination) was a valuable skill!

        (I mean, some would also cut&paste faces from one photo onto another, with scissors and glue… but most just used our imagination)

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