Comment on Why is the current labour party in the UK considered more center left? Do you think they will pass any policies that are considered left leaning now that they have won the majority?

HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Corbyn was also at the helm of a horrible Labour defeat in 2019.

  Corbyn lost by less than 3 million votes. A “horrible defeat” is the narrative the neoliberal media wants you to follow because it makes him seems like less of a threat to the establishment than he really was.

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  • ID411@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    May I mention the fact that Starmers acolytes in the party were actively working to undermine Corbyn during the campaign?

    Leaking racist smears to the press and so on ?

    independent.co.uk/…/labour-files-forde-report-kei…

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    • DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Absolutely, in case anyone needed more proof that the guy is 100% dedicated to the establishment and furthering his own career (sadly, many do, so spreading this far and wide is not only welcome, but necessary).

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  • Contravariant@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If UK politicians had any sense they’d fix the voting system that let that happen.

    Obviously they won’t because that same system put them in power and is currently holding far-right at bay, but it would be nice.

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    • Meron35@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      People think that the Brexit Referendum was when the UK timeline split, but imo it split when the Alternative Vote referendum failed back in 2011.

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      • Contravariant@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Keep in mind that for the way UK elects MPs something like Alternative Vote (or even approval voting, which I prefer) would only help with the problem that only 2 parties have any chance of winning in each particular constituency.

        It doesn’t get around the issue that ‘% of constituencies where party X wins the election’ and ‘% of votes cast for party X’ are in no way the same thing.

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    • DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Obviously they won’t because that same system put them in power

      Yes

      and is currently holding far-right at bay

      No, they’re acting as an establishment backed placeholder while the right regroups in preparation for a surge even further right next elections (when they get to blame all of the countries problems on “lefties”). Also the far right has made pretty significant gains this election.

      Either way though you’re right - he has no reason to fix the voting system. People really need to let this sink in - Starmer isn’t there for the good of the country or the people, but his own and that of the establishment.

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• Foni@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What you say is better than what the Tories did, but with such a large majority they could seize the opportunity and renationalise some privatized services, improve and adequately finance those that the right was letting die, change the tax system so that the upper classes help to finance the state. You already know, things that should be normal on the left until the “third way”

  Like op, I’m not British and I wonder if this would be possible or do we forget that something like this is going to happen, I don’t know, if you’re from there, tell us.

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  • DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They could, but aren’t going to.

    So far they have u-turned on every pledge they’ve made, specifically those about nationalising services, saving the health and social services from complete destruction from underfunding and privatisation, and stopping further cuts to a cruel benefits system they have no intention of addressing.

    Meanwhile taxing the rich more wasn’t even in their pledges, all they talk about is making Britain “better for business” and making the population less “work shy”.

    Anyone pinning any hope for significant change on Starmer’s blue Labour, hasn’t been paying any attention (or is out enough of direct harms way to not give a shit about those of us already at the bottom who will continue getting pounded).

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    • Foni@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thanks for the info, I wasn’t paying attention, but because British politics doesn’t affect me of course, I’m sorry for what it does.

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      • DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If you’re not from here, my issue isn’t with you, people aren’t obliged to know the politics of all countries (though wherever you are, something similar is likely happening - the Overton window is shifting to the right globally), it’s the masses of locals who buy in to the idea that Starmer is a leftist that I find frustrating…

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  • twistypencil@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Since when do neoliberals “renationalize privatized services”?

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