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Ibaudia@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

This man is talking about rape survivors who want female-only care, the nurses currently suing their health trust for making them change in front of a man, girls and women losing sporting opportunities to males and female prisoners incarcerated with convicted sex offenders.

It’s hilarious that she’s making these seem like widespread issues when most of them are literally just one incident, or aren’t happening at all. These are the best examples she can come up with of legitimate grievances against trans people?

How about “bullied to suicide, denied medical care, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, and getting violently hate crimed at enormous rates” for the other side of this issue? Even if you think trans identities are invalid, at least pretend to treat them with the same respect you would other human beings. But no, trans people who are just trying to survive day-to-day are nonchalantly grouped in with pedophile rapists, as if those two things are in any way equivalent.

It’s easy to hate someone when you just ignore what they really are and supplant it with something else entirely.

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norimee@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
As a cis female rape survivor I would choose the care of a compassionate trans woman over a judgemental TERF anytime!

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HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I 100% agree with your post. The issues she raises are nonexistent or extremely rare. In my personal life I believe and practice “trans-women are women” as for all intents and purposes it’s true.

I am however concerned that I don’t really have a response to anyone who doesn’t believe that, particularly women with some sort of past trauma that gives them an instinctual fear response. It feels insensitive to tell them to get over it or go to therapy. Particularly if they’ve been exposed to one of the extremely rare examples Rowling has presented. But I think going to therapy is probably what needs to happen.

My other conflicting thought is that therapy or condemnation it is what we would say to people being racist, but there seems to be a societal agreement that we need women only spaces. And we don’t say “get over it” in regards to men trying to enter a women’s shelter, we offer an amount of sympathy and understanding to the women and allow them that space. Which means there is some amount of gender discrimination is desired/needed. This also indicates there there should be a line or set of fuzzy criteria that determines if we treat trans-women as women or not. But this obviously also feels wrong, and I hate it.

Sorry if this was insensitive, I mostly just want to gather thoughts as I’m not confident in my thinking. I don’t think these issues deserve the amount of attention transphobes are giving them, but we’re here now, so I want to try and figure out a solution or response to more “reasonable” transphobes that I could potentially change the minds of

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- JacksonLamb@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I appreciate this comment.
  
  particularly women with some sort of past trauma that gives them an instinctual fear response
  
  Surely the answer to traumatised women is to give them accommodations and special treatment, not to punish anyone who sets off that trauma response because of perceptions about that person’s race or gender.
  
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  - HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Thank you for the response.
    
    The problem is that the accommodation and special treatment is in part separating these women from men and perceived masculinity. We would have to start chopping up support groups into trans-inclusive and trans-exclusive. And I don’t think sending them to a male/trans therapist is going to be very helpful.
    
    Transphobic (I’m not sure of a better word) trauma victims would want some sort of system in place to ensure these extremely unlikely things don’t occur. Trauma can really fuck with your rational thinking like that. I still can’t really cope in certain places and environments.
    
    Once again, I’m aware this is an extreme edge case, and basically never going to happen irl
    
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