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• Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You are supporting Trump by wasting your vote.

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• PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  but you are, because you’re not voting biden

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  • HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Genocides happening either way. you sitting home and sulking about it wont make it better.

    Be this guy

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    • pastabatman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Good for that guy. His beliefs were just and moral. He didn’t have any options though. Hitler and the Nazis were already in power.

      You have an option. You’re acting like you’re brave just like this guy but I bet he wished more people voted for the candidate that wasn’t Hitler.

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      • HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        In our case, Biden and Trump are both Hitler because they’re both supporting a genocide.

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  • HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Here’s a puzzle for you. A group of three men go to a hotel, and they each pay $10 for a room, for a total of $30. Afterwards, the manager remembers that there’s a deal where you can get 3 rooms for $25, so he gives $5 to the bellboy and tells the bellboy to return it to the men. But the bellboy returns just $1 to each of the men, and pockets the remaining $2.

    So the men each paid $9, for a total of $27. The bellboy pocketed $2. Where did the other dollar go?

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    • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s an informal fallacy.

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    • HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And the answer is that “Where did the other dollar go?” is a nonsensical question when you understand the situation correctly. But a lot of people who first hear it don’t understand the situation correctly.

      Likewise, “You’re helping Trump by voting third-party” is a nonsensical when you understand the situation correctly, but many people don’t at first understand the situation correctly.

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      • pastabatman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Are you sure we don’t understand it correctly? Trump won in 2016 in part due to the righteous indignation of people that refused to vote for Clinton. Third party spoiler candidates are not a new phenomenon.

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• Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If there were a “no genocide” candidate that could win, making that a single issue would matter. Biden supports Israel despite their actions in Gaza… which he has publicly stated he doesn’t agree with and has taken concrete, if underwhelming, steps to try and stop. Trump has shown us during his previous administration and told us recently that he will support Israel harder and will likely take steps to decrease the resistance to the Palestinian genocide if not outright accelerate it. He’ll also accelerate Russian aggression in Ukraine and likely would ignore our Article 5 responsibilities when Putin advances farther into Europe. I’ll assume you’re familiar with the policy differences on climate and how climate change impacts poor regions (like Gaza) more than it impacts affluent ones like the US (and even we’re getting our asses kicked by climate change this year). You can vote to take a moral stand, or you can vote for desired outcomes. The people trying to convince you not to vote 3rd party are trying to convince you to vote for a desired outcome. There is presently no likely outcome that gives us a non-Biden, non-Trump administration for the next 4 years. Based on that fact, we want to maximize the likelihood of the best availa le outcome. That’s what we’re asking…to think about what the world looks like for the people you care about under Biden and compare those outcomes to what it will look like under Trump and vote based on those outcomes. The time to find the ideal candidate is at the beginning of a presidential term, not the end of one.

  You can bet your ass most of us are including the ongoing genocide in our voting decision, we’ve just thought about it enough to know our options aren’t between “stopping genocide” and “continuing genocide”, the choice is between “resisting” (aka, the status quo) or “accelerating”.

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  • HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If there were a “no genocide” candidate that could win, making that a single issue would matter.

    But voting is valuable even if your candidate doesn’t win. It’s about having your desires counted on the public record.

    If politicians see that they’re losing votes to anti-genocide third-party candidates, they’ll take notice.

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    • pastabatman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s about having your desires counted on the public record.

      Get your desires on the public record in local and state elections and primaries where it might actually matter. For a US presidential election it’s an entirely empty gesture that makes you and only you feel better. No policies will change. No causes will be advanced. History will not remember you. It is very likely, however, that will make the lives of vulnerable people inside and outside of this country worse by giving trump a second term.

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      • HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        No policies will change. No causes will be advanced.

        Or, maybe politicians will see that they’re losing votes to anti-genocide third-party candidates, and their policies will change.

        And if not, then we don’t have a democracy anyway. If it’s not possible for the USA to cease its support for genocide, then this is not a liberal democracy, and this is certainly not the leader of the free world.

        What happened to “never again”? Never again is now and all I’m hearing is “eh, what can you do?”.

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