There’s a Jesus that got crucified, but no mention about him being able to perform miracles
You just 100% conceded. /thread
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givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 months agoCorroborating records are
And there’s not enough to prove that Jesus Christ existed…
There’s a Jesus that got crucified, but no mention about him being able to perform miracles
Like a third of the bible
I don’t think any of it was written till decades after he supposedly died tho…
Like, there’s lots of information about Bilbo Baggins in Lotr, that doesn’t mean it was written in the third age of Middle Earth homie.
There are plenty of historical figures who we mostly agree existed despite having approximately the same amount of proof as for Jesus.
Name one and I’ll disporve it.
frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 months ago
There was a Paul that lived in Midwest America
Is that proof he had a big blue ox?
Like, you know the Romans were pretty big fans of crucifying people for pretty much anything?
Like, we have that elusive physical evidence that 6,000 of Sparticus’ followers were crucified…
There’s a pretty good chance at least one of those guys was named Jesus too mate, it was a pretty common name
frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
There was a Paul that lived in Midwest America Is that proof he had a big blue ox?
I do not understand.
Like, we have that elusive physical evidence that 6,000 of Sparticus’ followers were crucified…
Go on then. Show us the evidence.
There’s a pretty good chance at least one of those guys was named Jesus too mate, it was a pretty common name
Not all the texts use that name. Some say Christus or Chrestus, ha-Notzri, Yeshu, ben Stada or ben Pandera.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I do not understand
That is clear.
Go on then. Show us the evidence.
You want me to physically show you? Like roll up to your house with it?
Can’t I just give you a link that provides the info about it?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion#Ancient_Rome
And you definitely didn’t understand that last bit you quoted…
You haven’t understood all of this.
I get it man, you have “faith” but that’s not evidence.
It doesn’t mean anything
mkwt@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Like, there’s lots of information about Bilbo Baggins in Lotr, that doesn’t mean it was written in the third age of Middle Earth homie
The conceit of the LOTR appendices is that Lord of the Rings, as published in English, is really just the Red Book that Bilbo writes at the end. Dr. Tolkien merely found the manuscript somewhere and has graciously translated it from Third Age common language into English for the benefit of us modern people.
SorteKanin@feddit.dk 4 months ago
And there’s not enough to prove that Jesus Christ existed…
Says who?
frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Name one and I’ll disporve it.
Diarmait mac Cerbaill
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yes.
His life was written about while it happened in the Irish Annals…
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_annals
That is contemporary literary evidence of his existence.
Not just some dude named Diarmait existed in Ireland at some point.
frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Right. I think we’re in agreement. There was a historical Diarmait. There was a historical Jesus.
bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Obviously miracles aren’t real. I wasn’t claiming otherwise. We’re talking about whether or not the person Jesus existed, not if magic is real.
It sounds like we agree
Okay but it was written by people who claim they were there and met him personally.
To borrow your asinine LOTR analogy, it is more like you are claiming Thorinn Oakenshield never existed simply because Bilbo only wrote “There and Back Again” after he got home from memory.
Thistlewick@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
If your only requirement is that a man once existed by the name of Jesus and was crucified, then the bar is on the floor. Jesus was not a rare name, and the Romans crucified many, many people. It is not out of the realm of possibility that these two common data points would overlap and give us a crucified Jesus.
Is there proof that it was THE Jesus though? Do we have corroborating evidence of a man travelling the countryside with his posse, changing the minds and hearts of the masses?
bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
I feel like there’s some room for Occam’s Razor here. Is it more likely that dozens of people got together and agreed to start a cult centred around a fictional person that they were all going to agree existed? Or that the guy actually did exist? Like why would all the people who say they followed him around lie about that but also be on the same page about so many details of him?
Like, we know the posse existed, so why is it a stretch that the guy they all went on to turn into a religion was really there in the middle of it all?
To be clear (and I can’t believe I have to say this, but there are some idiots in this thread) I’m not claiming magical miracles are real, just that there was a real dude in the middle of that posse that those followers went on to turn into a religion.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Not really, and definitely not the 1/3 you were claiming…
Like, where are you getting any of this?
It sounds like what they teach at one of those “bible colleges”
bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
A bunch of the books in the new testament are letters written by Jesus’s followers. We can’t prove whether they really are that, but they all agree that a dude named Jesus existed. If a bunch of people all wrote about a guy they knew, and most of the details match, that guy probably was real.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 months ago