I mean, if all of them are like that then it's a fundamental, intrinsic problem of growing up and learning things and there's nothing to be done. No point complaining.
But I don't think you mean that, to be perfectly honest.
Not true. The state of the art of education is in a certain place where education systems that are doing the best anyone is doing are still doing so with ableist discrimination forward. Those looking to the “most successful” education systems will be imitating these practices as well. The current best is far from the best it could be though, and things could be changed radically to remove that ableist discrimination.
Oh, that one is unexpected. You've managed to blend both "if it's not perfect it's just as bad as ours" and "nobody has ever done it right" in a single argument.
That's kind of impressive, actually.
Again, who are we talking about and what problems are we identifying? Because I find it hard to believe that in a whole-ass planet where hundreds of countries and private institutions have their own distinct take on how to do this (never mind all the ones that came before the current ones) this is simultaneously simply impossible to get right but also so easy that it can be condensed in a one panel comic strip-slash-one paragraph social media post.
I definitely never said that there aren’t education systems that are better than other education systems because none are perfect, or implied that at all.
And the mistake you’ve made here is assuming that conceptually, something not being done correctly anywhere currently means it’s impossible. That idea basically negates the idea of human progress. There are lots of things currently being done that, in the past, were tried and failed simultaneously by many institutions across the planet before it was solved and the solution proliferated.
Education that is applied equitably to people who have different needs is a problem that, if solved in the theoretical realm (still doubt), definitely hasn’t been solved at the implementation step widely anywhere. I don’t think you could name a single country where education outcomes are equitable for ND people with respect to their NT counterparts with similar base capabilities. But it’s definitely possible.
The way we do education is based on fundamentally flawed concepts, from the grading systems we use to the clear design towards specifically neurotypical (and usually more privileged) children. This is just true everywhere. Childhood psychology/developmental psychology and education are pretty complicated and poorly understood by most of the public, even educators.
This is just repeating what I originally said, but hear me out. Who is "we"?
I mean, this very nice lady even says at around the 35 minute mark that "there are plenty of schools that don't grade their students and have great college acceptance rates", which makes me think she thinks her "we" may not be your "we". She definitely doesn't seem to think that "we" is "all of them".
MudMan@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
Oh, ok. So no problem, then.
I mean, if all of them are like that then it's a fundamental, intrinsic problem of growing up and learning things and there's nothing to be done. No point complaining.
But I don't think you mean that, to be perfectly honest.
feedmecontent@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not true. The state of the art of education is in a certain place where education systems that are doing the best anyone is doing are still doing so with ableist discrimination forward. Those looking to the “most successful” education systems will be imitating these practices as well. The current best is far from the best it could be though, and things could be changed radically to remove that ableist discrimination.
MudMan@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
Oh, that one is unexpected. You've managed to blend both "if it's not perfect it's just as bad as ours" and "nobody has ever done it right" in a single argument.
That's kind of impressive, actually.
Again, who are we talking about and what problems are we identifying? Because I find it hard to believe that in a whole-ass planet where hundreds of countries and private institutions have their own distinct take on how to do this (never mind all the ones that came before the current ones) this is simultaneously simply impossible to get right but also so easy that it can be condensed in a one panel comic strip-slash-one paragraph social media post.
feedmecontent@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I definitely never said that there aren’t education systems that are better than other education systems because none are perfect, or implied that at all.
And the mistake you’ve made here is assuming that conceptually, something not being done correctly anywhere currently means it’s impossible. That idea basically negates the idea of human progress. There are lots of things currently being done that, in the past, were tried and failed simultaneously by many institutions across the planet before it was solved and the solution proliferated.
Education that is applied equitably to people who have different needs is a problem that, if solved in the theoretical realm (still doubt), definitely hasn’t been solved at the implementation step widely anywhere. I don’t think you could name a single country where education outcomes are equitable for ND people with respect to their NT counterparts with similar base capabilities. But it’s definitely possible.
sparkle@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
The way we do education is based on fundamentally flawed concepts, from the grading systems we use to the clear design towards specifically neurotypical (and usually more privileged) children. This is just true everywhere. Childhood psychology/developmental psychology and education are pretty complicated and poorly understood by most of the public, even educators.
MudMan@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
This is just repeating what I originally said, but hear me out. Who is "we"?
I mean, this very nice lady even says at around the 35 minute mark that "there are plenty of schools that don't grade their students and have great college acceptance rates", which makes me think she thinks her "we" may not be your "we". She definitely doesn't seem to think that "we" is "all of them".
So who is "we"?
sparkle@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
“We” is most of the schools in a majority of education systems in the world.