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FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 months agoI don’t think you understand communism if that’s what you think the Russian oligarchy is.
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FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 months agoI don’t think you understand communism if that’s what you think the Russian oligarchy is.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The problem is every form of “communism” implemented to date has immediately become a authoritarian dictatorship. One could even say “communism” is just snake oil used to convince the populous to allow the installation of authoritarian dictatorships…
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 months ago
By “every form,” you mean the ones in the 20th century which were not actually communist because there were power hierarchies and class levels.
Çatalhöyük was an actual communist community. There was no division of labor, no ruling class, apparently not even division by gender.
It was around for 900 years.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Çatalhöyük
Communism was figured out thousands of years before currency, let alone capitalism. The problem isn’t communism, the problem is some people hunger for wealth and power and are allowed to accumulate both.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Exactly, but they claimed to be communist and the public wad told they were becoming a communist state when they were created. Kinda fits my “snake oil” theory pretty perfectly hmm…
Your response is a 12k+ old community, not even a state or country. That “may” have some similarities to modern communism, based on the pure conjecture of the archeologists.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea claims to be democratic and a republic. Are they? Because that’s your reasoning here- countries are what they claim to be.
Also, not pure conjecture. That’s an ignorant thing to say.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
as opposed to all of the anti-authortarian capitalist, aristocracy, fascist, monarchist, oligarchy, plutocratic, feudalist and herrenvolk societies?
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I think the socialism implemented in some of the northern Scandinavian countries is the best we have right now.
But as bad as capitalism is and it is BAD. It’s still many times better than communism even for the average worker. And even though it is devolving into a oligarchy ( or dictatorship) at some point. It’s doing much slower than any attempt at communism we’ve had.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Flip it around.
They were authoritarian dictatorships and kleptocracies that paid lip service to communism.
The USSR was the closest to communism, but of course all the power and money got pulled to the top and the people got to live with the nominal structure of it.
Little bit like the US… a capitalist country with a free market, but again, all the power and money get pulled to the top to keep their bank accounts safe and the people get to live with the fallout of market volatility.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Lenin the guy that “brought” communism to the USSR was a dictator from day one. What are you talking about?
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 months ago
That’s literally what I said?!
They’re dictatorships that someone slaps the world “communism” on?