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WormFood@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

almost every major political party in the UK has an anti-immigration stance, so they certainly do act like it’s an issue
despite media scaremongering about immigration, there’s no credible evidence that immigration in the UK has negative social or economic consequences overall
the lovely people behind reform UK previously campaigned for us to leave the EU in order to reduce immigration, and not only did it not reduce immigration but it was also a multi-year political shitshow (and it tanked the economy, and it pulled us out of the EU human rights convention, and it fucked up supply chains, and it decimated arts and science funding, etc etc)

to be honest I’m kind of amazed that UK voters would fall for the same obvious grift twice

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Ilflish@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Dumb people will double down in an attempt to present they were always right, even after they admit they were sort of wrong. If they can reverse that previous loss into a win, they were always right.

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Wanderer@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yet they aren’t going far enough.

People have been so horrifically mislead on this it’s unbelievable. It’s true immigration as a whole can be “good” (what good is, is debatable) but it also isn’t wrong to say that it could be good to reduce immigration. Not all immigration is the same and not all amount are the same, grouping it together messes the whole thing up. The purpose of immigration as it is now now is to keep wages down and keep houses prices up.

Do you really care about GDP do you even really care about GDP per capita? Probably not but those figures are used to woo you. What’s better having a GDP per capita of 50,000 and rent of 40,000 or having a GDP per capita of 30,000 and having rent of 10,000? With lower rents people have more discretionary income and they can go out spend more, grow the economy and it will create growth. Everyone wins. Currently all our money is going to landowners and business owners. Immigration is for them not for us. So you say we need more X workers. Okay pay people enough to do it. They aren’t trained? Pay for training it’s not hard it just costs money. It’s not like the UK is at 100% employment rate people want to work but can’t. It’s cheaper to get immigrants to do it, but its bad for the UK.

Look at Japan low immigration, low house costs, low crime. They manage to fill their jobs. Yet Japan is doing something wrong?

Let’s get some facts and figures. Here is an article about UK losing money to immigration.

telegraph.co.uk/…/migration-failed-economic-growt…

Here is Danish data on crime.

…substack.com/…/the-effects-of-immigration-in-den…

Why are we taking in people that are taking British people jobs costing the country money and committing more crimes than locals?

I voted remain, I’m happy to have immigration. But what it is now and what it is used for is wrong. You really think net migration of over half a million people per year is good? Why is that happening?

That’s not even to mention the cultural aspect. I love Britain and I love how it is. But I am also very well travelled and the place I most felt like an outsider and been stared like I don’t belong is within the UK. Why are we doing that to ourselves? If we take a financial hit to train our workforce, give them jobs and keep our culture I’m happy to do it. Give us the choice. But I actually think financially the people will be better off at the expense of the upper class. They why we don’t get to choose.

Brexit was a shower of shit. Yea. Boris pushed for it and then had the power to do something about it. He’s one of the most evil politicians in the UK. Fuck him. Brexit was a vote for less immigration, it’s not the peoples fault or even UKIPs fault that immigration didn’t go down.

Whatever happened then doesn’t mean we don’t have issues now.
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