Comment on Remember your training and you will survive

• PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  And?

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• sethboy66@kbin.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Not exactly. The government in starship troopers is nationalistic, but not fascist; it's a limited meritocratic democracy, people still have power but only those that earn the power (somewhat like the Roman Republic but that's a whole other story filled with socii and quasi-autonomy).

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  • alternative_factor@kbin.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    "satrship troopers" the book is blatantly fascist, Heinlein became a fascist in his later years.
    "Starship Troopers" the movie IS a parody of fascism, Verhoeven literally based the Starship Trooper's symbols on Nazi iconography.
    "Although some contemporary critics and audiences considered Starship Troopers to be an endorsement of fascism, Verhoeven said, "whenever you see something that you think is fascist, you should know that the filmmakers agree with your opinion."

    Also Sargon is just a fascist puppet.

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    • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      The book was a commentary on fascism. Not a celebration of it.

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      • alternative_factor@kbin.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        I thought that when I read it too, but I asked my folks and they were big scifi fans at the time, and it's unironic.
        wikipedia also says its unironic, for what its worth:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers#Criticism_of_militarism
        If you read Heinlein's wikipedia page it also checks out:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein#Views

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    lmfao, how do you look at this and think: “liberal limited meritocratic democracy”

    www.imdb.com/media/rm3136367104/tt0120201

    they couldn’t have come close to a Nazi SS uniform other than actually putting a red band with a swastika on.

    also as others said, Sargon of Akkad is a fascist cunt.

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    • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Yeah but they are only facist against bugs. And bug sympathisers. And anyone who criticizes the armed forces. And any member of the military who disobeys orders.

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    • sethboy66@kbin.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      The government within the book and movie is within the limits of liberal theory, it is meritocratic as civilians must earn their citizenship and have a right to choose not to, and it is a limited democracy in the same vein; not all choose to partake.

      The SS uniform is purely from the movie and is purposefully chosen. Sargon of Akkad makes his position pretty clear in the video linked, if you'd bother to watch it; "You love Starship Troopers because you think that when the fascists come, and you are called upon, you will pick up a rifle and do your duty like you know you should... Nowhere in the world at any point in history has man lived lives of such tranquility, abundance, and freedom than under a liberal democracy."

      How you get fascist from those sentiments is beyond me.

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  • b_antunes@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Found the fascist

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