Comment on Stellaris gets a DLC about AI that features AI-created voices, director insists it's 'ethical' and 'we're pretty good at exploring dystopian sci-fi and don't want to end up there ourselves'

• Kaldo@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That's a very naive perspective though. We're not blaming the guns for gun violence, it's the people, but restricting access to guns is still the proven way to reduce gun incidents. One day when everyone is enlightened enough to not need such restrictions then we can lift them but we're very far from that point, and the same goes for tools like "AI".

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  • msgraves@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    you’re gonna have a bad time restricting software

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    • fcSolar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’d be dead easy, actually. Don’t even have to actually ban it: For image generating models, every artist whose work is included in the training data becomes entitled to 5 cents per image in the trainong data every time a model generates an image, so an artist with 20 works in the model is entitled to a dollar per generated image. Companies offering image generating neural networks would near instantly incur such huge liabilities that it simply wouldn’t be worth it anymore. Same thing could apply to text and voice generating models, just per word instead of per image.

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      • msgraves@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        disregarding the fact that the model learns and extrapolates from the training data, not copying,

        have fun figuring out which model made the image in the first place!

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    • Kaldo@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Very easy time if it's about commercial use (well, at least outside of china). Companies need to have licenses for the software they use, they have to obey copyright laws and trademarks, have contracts and permissions for anything they use in their day to day work. It's the same reason why no serious company wants to even touch any competitor's leaked source code when it appears online.

      Just because AI tech bros live in a bubble of their own, thinking they can just take and repurpose anything they need, doesn't mean it should be like that - for the most case it isn't and in this case, the law just hasn't caught up with the tech yet.

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      • msgraves@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        actual example please not like your other friend Luddite on the other comment

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• Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That said, this choice wasn’t actually a problem right?

  I mean this game doesn’t use voice actors normally. If they used ai voice actors for this update only to represent the ai characters… isn’t that just appropriate?

  Previously all characters in this game were represented only by text, so literally nobody is being replaced here.

  Another way to think about it would be via representation. We get worked up when an ethnic character on screen is played by a different ethnicity, an actor in blackface for example. And in that vein using ai for organic characters could be seen as offensive, but using ai for ai characters would not. In contrast could we see using human voices for ai characters to be insensitive? That may sound far fetched, but this is sci-fi, the ai characters in the game are fully sentient and in their fictional universe would have rights, the whole point is to make the player think about what that means.

  Well I guess I have my takeaway, I may consider boycotting any game that uses human actors for ai characters. Just get an ai actor… seriously.

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  • Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Honestly, I’d argue that that’s exactly what AI should be for. Either being used by that one guy to give voices to his passion project because he can’t afford to hire voice actors, or to add a touch of the uncanny to an AI character.

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