Comment on Nothing infuriates me quite like anti working class propaganda being pushed by the eilte

• DacoTaco@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I disagree.
  Left is more than wealth. Left is often reffered to socialism or liberalism. Either cases have at its core nothing to do with wealthy at all. Its not because your local politics have the left as wealthy fuckwads that this is everywhere.

  That said, dont get me wrong, this is some terrible shit to say and the wealthy should piss off.

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  • hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Liberalism is not left wing.

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    • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Liberalism is the ONLY left wing.

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      • Aceticon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The principle of “let consenting adults do whatever they want” is absolutelly compatible with some people having almost all of the money and others starving, but the principle of “the greatest good for the greatest number” is not.

        Liberalism (the first) has nothing to do with Left (the second).

        Now if Liberalism was actually about maximizing Freedom in all its senses, then it would end up mainly concerning itself with how Human Basic Needs and Money and Ownership Law (mainly of Land) are used to limit the Freedom of most people, but “strangelly” I have never once heard or read a “liberal” mention how the very structures that keep a few in wealth limit the freedom of everybody else.

        Trully thinking liberals could end up as lefties but they always stop at the boundary of reducing wealth discrimination, liberalizing access to land anf in general doing things that would free people who are born landless (i.e. most people) from being forced to work for others under other people’s conditions for a roof over their heads and food on their tables.

        De facto present day liberals as are hard right (though socially liberal, they’re extremelly conservative in everything else).

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  • alexius@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You can disagree with me all you want. You’re extremely misinformed, though. An entire life of propaganda made you believe some weird shit, but socialism is unequivocally about wealth distribution and liberalism is undoubtedly right-wing.

    I didn’t understand your comment about local politics. Mostly because you can’t possibly know where i’m from, and calling the left ‘wealthy fuckwads’ is just bizarre.

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• Coreidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So you’re trying to gaslight people into thinking that wealthy people only represent the left or the right? Rofl.

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  • alexius@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No. I’ve read enough theory to know that the left understands the world as a struggle between two classes: capitalists and workers.

    The right believes in meritocracy, the invisible hand of the market, and risking capital as the most valuable asset.

    Of course there are poor people leaning right. There is not a single leftist billionaire, though.

    …oh, and in case you’re from the United States (you act as if you were): Both of your political parties are right-wing. Your ‘radical leftist politicians’ are centrists at best. Right-wingers don’t become leftists because they’re ok with giving some human rights to the population.

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• Aux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  No. The true left is all about freedoms and rights - liberal democracy. What you call left is the same authorisation shit as right.

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  • CompassInspector@invariant-marxism.red ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    True democracy is when the majority (the workers) gets what it wants/needs over the minority (the rich). Does this sort of system prevail anywhere in the world?

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    • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It works that way pretty much everywhere but the US.

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      • CompassInspector@invariant-marxism.red ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Poverty only exist in the US?

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  • alexius@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Cringe

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    • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, pseudo-lefties are cringe indeed.

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