Comment on How come liberals dont hate conservatives the way conservatives hate liberals

• Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s a big part of it. I don’t hate conservatives.

  They are actively trying to make the world worse, so I’m not going to be sad if/when the ideology disappears, but as a whole, they aren’t bad people. They are my family and coworkers. They are decent people who have been taught to fear the enemy.

  I don’t hate them, I pity them.

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  • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    but as a whole, they aren’t bad people

    I don’t know if that’s true. They have been misled, but they still perpetuate this hate. If they didn’t hate people, a lot of the problems in modern America wouldn’t be nearly as bad. I think making the lives of minorities and even majorities worse in every way-- harrassment, policymaking, etc.-- makes you a bad person.

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    • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, you aren’t wrong. There’s definitely a greater than average amount of assholes and shitheads in that group. You don’t become the party of racism without any racist members.

      I’ll call the assholes out for being assholes, but I won’t assume that someone’s evil because they vote GOP. I’ll assume that they are fragile and ignorant, of course, but they need to go a bit further for me to call an individual an evil person.

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    • mjhelto@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And someone who’s part of a cult, or a significant other who is abused, will try to recruit people to their cause or downplay the violence or dig in deeper with their abusers.

      Don’t get me wrong, those who perpetuate the hate on the conservative side are rat bastards who have no place in society. However, those on the consumption end have been programmed to think this way. Deprogramming takes a lot of time and requires the cult member to want to learn more and get out. However, forcefully removing a cult member will usually just push them back to the cult harder.

      Either these Republican rubes die or start investing other sources of info, we have a long fight ahead of us, and that’s only if we can cut off the head of the snake and stop the cult at the top.

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      • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s true that it’s not effective to try to remove these people from their cult, but again, that doesn’t mean that they’re good. Good people have the strength of moral character to recognize they’re in a cult and leave one, with or without encouragement or intervention. Good people don’t say things that they know are wrong, just to feel like they belong. We can help, and provide a space for them to belong without needing to say those things-- but if they were lead to say them so consistently for so long, they didn’t disbelieve them strongly enough to be considered good imo. Neutral maybe, and that’s acceptable, but they become bad when they are convinced to do bad things. If I’m convinced to kill, or dehumanize, or otherwise significantly harm someone over, and over, and over again, how could you possibly say that I’m good?

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