Comment on Why do people still eat beef when we know it's terrible for Earth?

thesink05@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Sizzler@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Stop eating meat, it’s easy, you change your diet and are healthier.

  Honestly stop saying “Your post does more harm to your cause than good because it just makes everyone angry at you”

  It’s a tired and worn out excuse to avoid saying “I’m lazy and selfish”

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  • thesink05@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Can you provide some product comparisons that include cost and nutritional value? Take into account dietary restrictions as well. Not for me personally but for anyone in general.

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    • Sizzler@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, do your own work if you actually care or are you just trying to “gotcha” me?

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      • thesink05@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The ‘gotcha’ was going to be: “Great information! This is the kind of post that might actually change someone’s mind.”

        But instead we have condescending posts/comments that assume everyone simply has the means to make a significant change in their life.

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      • fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes, they’re just trying to “gotcha” you. They could spend five seconds and look up that information on the same device they’re posting from.

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  • dacreator@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s easy when you only need to care about your own needs. Try saying that with a family and kids…based on your comment I suspect you can’t.

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    • Sizzler@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lead by example, or are you too weak to do that?

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      • stephen01king@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You could certainly lead by example by not acting like an insufferable asshole and giving the movement a bad look.

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  • AWittyUsername@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m lazy and selfish

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    • Sizzler@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Bot that lazy considering it didn’t need to be said. You did you though chief. Good luck getting help to change.

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      • AWittyUsername@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t need help

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• CursedByTheVoid@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Potatoes, pasta, bread, legumes, nut butters, vegetables, fruits, jelly, jam; all things that many people already eat with some regularity.

  Time and resources are hardly an excuse, you don’t have to spend two hours a night preparing some 5 Michelin star meal with the most organic, non-GMO, [insert buzzword] ingredients in order to make better dietary choices, at least not in the first world where we have ample options… Shit, even just reducing your meat intake by 10% is a net harm reduction that adds up.

  The slave labor thing is valid to an extent, but not entirely analogous. For better or for worse, modern society is increasingly dependent on technology; folks rely on it, in some form, to find/perform work, pay the bills, stay in contact with friends and family, survive the climate they live in, travel, etc… This typically isn’t the case with meat, it’s pure carnal desire which results in the death of something to the tune of ~90 billion, with a “B”, animals every year that didn’t truly need to be slaughtered.

  People absolutely should be upset about the conditions of workers being exploited anywhere in the world and advocate on their behalf where possible, but our position shouldn’t be: “Oh, some bad shit happened over here; so I guess it’s fine to allow this bad shit over here to proliferate as well”, just sayin’.

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  • CopernicusQwark@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’s often just carnal desire which results in the death of something to the tune of ~80 billion (with a “B”) animals every year that didn’t really need to be slaughtered.

    I’m genuinely curious: what’s the vegans’ answer to the question of “what happens to the cattle and other livestock if everyone on the planet turned vegan tomorrow?”. It’s not like they can just be let loose…

    Realistically the amount of livestock is not sustainable and they’d need to be culled in gargantuan numbers so that they don’t go from a “managed” ecological disaster to an “out of control” ecological disaster. And then you get the slaughter without the benefit of feeding billions of hungry people.

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    • CursedByTheVoid@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean the premise already feels a bit absurd, but I’ll play…

      I’m not a vegan and don’t really hang out in vegan spaces too much, so my answers may differ from your typical vegan, or not… who knows. But I suppose if the general goal is to preserve life where possible, then you should absolutely try to find some place for the animals to live out their days in peace. If we can manage to stuff them all in neat little boxes on the land we have now, I doubt it’s some insurmountable problem. You don’t have to let 'em run free and “out of control” per se, repurpose the land of the now defunct factory farms and slaughterhouses, build a number of sanctuaries all over the place, and plop 'em there. 'course, I can’t possibly know all of the variables involved, so I’m not saying this is a well thought out solution, I’m just spitballing… but we’re not exactly hurting for land.

      However, suppose I granted you:

      Realistically the amount of livestock is not sustainable and they’d need to be culled in gargantuan numbers

      Why the fuck would people do this?

      And then you get the slaughter without the benefit of feeding billions of hungry people.

      Veganism isn’t some virus that physically prevents you from eating meat, and plenty of vegans have been meat eaters at some point in their lives. If it came down to it, I imagine there would be a steady supply of folks who would opt to revert temporarily instead of letting it go to waste. Vegans may disagree with me here, but I think it’s certainly a more ethical choice if the animals are already dead, can’t let the sacrifice be for nothing.

      That being said, I think a more realistic transition scenario would be something like the meat industry halting slaughter operations, exhausting their existing supply until either there are no animals left to kill, or there are a small enough quantity to where we can just yeet the rest onto some farms somewhere. Not that vegans would get behind that, being anti-slaughter and all, but it’s at least a more believable way for things to play out… I think.

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• angrystego@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Eating beef is expensive, though. I agree with the rest.

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