Comment on Microsoft’s VASA-1 can deepfake a person with one photo and one audio track

casmael@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They worded the headline that way to scare you into that reaction. They’re only interested in telling you about the negative uses because that drives engagement.

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  • BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I understand some of you AI evangelist types look down on us Luddites who dare to ask questions, but you seriously can’t see any potential issue with this technology without some sort of restrictions in place?

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    • Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is unnecessarily aggressive, I don’t need this today.

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      • BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And your comment was unnecessarily patronizing. Do you think they needed that today?

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      • algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That was one of the tamest comments I’ve seen on the internet. There wasn’t even remarks about your mom.

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    • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      None of those concerns are new in principle: AI is the current thing that makes people worry about corporate and government BS but corporate and government BS isn’t new.

      Then: The cat is out of the bag, you won’t be able to put it in again. If those things worry you the strategic move isn’t to hope that suddenly, out of pretty much nowhere, capitalism and authoritarianism will fall never to be seen again, but to a) try our best to get sensible regulations in place, the EU has done a good job IMO, and b) own the tech. As in: Develop and use tech and models that can be self-hosted, that enable people to have control over AI, instead of being beholden to what corporate or government actors deem we should be using. It’s FLOSS all over again.

      Or, to be an edgelord to some of the artists out there: If you don’t want your creative process to end up being dependent on Adobe’s AI stuff then help training models that aren’t owned by big CGI.

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      • BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t think these people should be locked up or all AI usage banned. But there is definitely a middle ground between absolute prohibition and no restrictions at all.

        I have used AI tools as a shooter/editor for years.

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  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Honestly that’s a good rule of thumb for all headlines at this point.

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  • casmael@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Good point good point

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• some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They mentioned one potential use that I thought has value and that I hadn’t considered. For video conferencing, this could transmit data without sending video and greatly reduce the amount of bandwidth needed by rendering people’s faces locally. I don’t think that outweighs the massive harms this technology will unleash. But at least there was some use that would be legit and beneficial.

  I’m someone who has a moral compass and I don’t like that scammers will abuse this shit so I hate it. But there’s no keeping it locked away. It’s here to stay. I hate the future / now.

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  • flora_explora@beehaw.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wouldn’t you then have to run the AI locally on a machine (which probably draws a lot of power and memory) or use it via cloud (which depends on bandwidth just like a video call). I don’t really see where this technology could actually be useful. Sure, if it is only a minor computation just like if you take a picture/video with any modern smartphone. But computing an entire face and voice seems much more complicated than that and not really feasible for the usual home device.

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    • Markaos@lemmy.one ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, it’s not practical right now, but in 10 years? Who knows, we might finally have some built-in AI accelerator capable of running big neural networks on consumer CPUs by then (we do have AI accelerators in a large chunk of current CPUs, but they’re not up to the task yet). The system memory should also go up now that memory-hungry AI is inching closer to mainstream use.

      Sure, Internet bandwidth will also increase, meaning this compression will be less important, but on the other hand, it’s not like we’ve stopped improving video codecs after h.264 because it was good enough - there are better codecs now even though we have the resources to handle bigger h.264 videos.

      The technology doesn’t have to be useful right now - for example, neural networks capable of learning have been studied since the 1940s, even though there would be no way to run them for many decades, and it would take even longer to run them in a useful capacity. But now that we have the technology to do so, they enjoy rapid progress building on top of that original foundation.

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      • flora_explora@beehaw.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Fair point, I agree.

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    • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A model that can only generate frontal to profile views of heads would be quite small, I can totally see that kind of thing running on current consumer GPUs, in real time. Near real time is already possible with SDXL-based models with some speedup tricks applied as long as you have a mid-range gaming GPU and those models are significantly more general. It’s not like the model will need to generate spaghetti alongside with the head.

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  • Lemjukes@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also I would argue sending the actual video of what is happening in front of the camera is kind of the entire point of having a video call. I don’t see any utility in having a simulated face to face interaction where neither of you is even looking at an actual image of the other person.

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• henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You can’t simply not develop a technology. Progress is going to move forward. If they don’t do it, somebody else is going to figure out how. The tools are out there. The math works. Better researchers to do it now and scare us into finding solutions than criminals to develop it first.

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• notfromhere@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Other than the obvious malicious uses of this technology, it could be great for multimedia, great for creative control for cast, great for virtual meetings to always look “your best” (as determined by each individual, e.g. clean-cut pristine, and/or preferred gender, and/or favorite anime, etc.). There are also use cases to hear letters spoken by a lost loved one, or replace the Three Stooges with politicians. Tons of “safe” use cases that I am looking forward to.

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  • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m not convinced any of these uses are actually beneficial.

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    • notfromhere@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Entertainment might be pointless to some. I dream of having an on-demand Netflix that will generate whatever type of content I can imagine on demand, or better yet already know my preferences and all I have to do is tell it my mood and it will start playing something I would like.

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      • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        A difference in taste, I guess. Having programs generated just to pander to my existing tastes sounds horrible to me. I want to be challenged and surprised and have my tastes tested and changed in unpredictable ways.

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  • henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is a really positive take. I would love to create such an AI of myself in my likeness so that if one day I come to pass before my wife, she could enjoy having that comfort. I imagine it speaking like: while I’m not your husband, here’s what I think he would’ve said.

    Deep faking myself so I don’t have to use my camera in meetings? I would pay for that feature.

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• ultratiem@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because bags of money. And MS is a hyper toxic entity that’s been siphoning the data of every Windows user for decades now. That company is basically IBM during WW2.

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• BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If something is possible, and this simply indeed is, someone is going to develop it regardless of how we feel about it, so it's important for non-malicious actors to make people aware of the potential negative impacts so we can start to develop ways to handle them before actively malicious actors start deploying it.

  Critical businesses and governments need to know that identity verification via video and voice is much less trustworthy than it used to be, and so if you're currently doing that, you need to mitigate these risks. There are tools, namely public-private key cryptography, that can be used to verify identity in a much tighter way, and we're probably going to need to start implementing them in more places.

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• PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Would be great for me and others who have trouble with body language. I could deepfake a version of myself with neurotypical body language and offload the effort of “acting normal” to the AI for interviews and video calls. Genuinely I’m super pumped for this.

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  • BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Now that is interesting, I've never heard this consideration before.

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• CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They’re also releasing a detector, for what it’s worth.

  Yeah, this one seems like it will have more negative applications than positive. Usually you’ll have a lot more content from someone you want to copy for non-deceptive reasons. It’s inevitable all video will be easily fake-able one day soon, but why hasten it?

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