Comment on Has ethernet become illegitimate? A librarian flipped out after spotting me using ethernet

amio@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• coffeeClean@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Private libraries are quite rare. I think only one employer I worked for had an on-site private library where the assets are not publicly owned. It’s rare. Most libraries are public.

  My post is about public libraries, which were financed with public money. It’s worth noting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

  Article 21
  ¶2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.

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  • amio@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s disgusting that you endorse discriminating against people

    Poor trolling is showing there, 2/10 for the sheer effort of typing up all this bullshit.

    lmao

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  • GreatBlue@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You have the right to access the internet through WiFi like everyone else. So where’s the problem?

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    • coffeeClean@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That “right” is exclusively available to people who:

      • have a mobile phone
      • who carry it with them
      • who have working wifi hardware

      The Universal Declaration of Human Rights has no such limitation on Article 21.

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      • catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Bruh it’s library Internet access, not a human rights violation

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      • Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The UDHR is not a treaty, so it does not create any direct legal bindings. The article you quote may have been excluded, overwritten or rephrased in your jurisdiction.

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      • Cort@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I see a lot of downvotes on your comments on this thread and I wonder if it’s due to differences in nationality/geography/jurisdiction. In the USA I know we give free smartphones with working Wi-Fi to people with low incomes as a part of the lifeline program. Some of the libraries I’ve been to even have staff on hand to help low income people find out about these sorts of benefits, and even help them sign up. Maybe they don’t have this sort of program where you’re from?

        And I know most people DO carry their phones with them wherever they go these days assuming they haven’t forgotten it somewhere.

        Am I missing something? To me, in my area, these limitations would be a choice the user has made.

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  • normonator@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You can use it but on their terms. Your privacy doesnt mean anything to them, they are protecting themselves. Captive portal is likely making you agree to not abuse the service.

    Also you’re choosing not to participate which is fair but they don’t need to support that.

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    • coffeeClean@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can use it but on their terms.

      Not without a phone.

      Captive portal is likely making you agree to not abuse the service.

      Nothing about a captive portal requires wifi. There are many ways to get that agreement. Neglecting to make the agreement part of the ToS when you become a member is just reckless.

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      • normonator@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Their terms require a phone so yes, on their terms. Why would they make an exception for anyone?

        Their captive portal requires wifi and thats all that matters. And why would they want to deal with paper agreements for WiFi?

        You don’t have to be a member to use WiFi, someone else could have given you the password if there even is one, so ya even if you did agree when signing up it would make sense to still require that.

        I implement these kind of setups including a couple libraries and while I would have Ethernet ports available if within budget, I would not allow you to bypass captive portal, the agreement, or traffic filtering. I don’t care what you are doing but I am required to try not to allow easy access to questionable content. If someone is doing something illegal it’s gonna involve the library if you get caught (that’s why the phone number but maybe they are just being shitty with it). Not worth the risk. Also a lot of those decisions are made by a board so being upset with the staff won’t accomplish anything. Wifi is cheap, pulling cable can be very costly in comparison and depending on building type can be hard, damaging or, not feasible. Those ports could also be broken because people don’t respect shit, that could also be the reason for their reaction.

        This is all I got for you, good luck but if you want your privacy you’re likely going to have to go somewhere else.

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  • amio@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Then go sue them over their lack of Your Particular Setup-compatible wifi, I guess.

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