Even if humans don’t go extinct, surely untold masses will die from food shortages and disasters.
Comment on geoengineering
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
I just want to point out that there is almost zero scientific evidence to suggest that climate change will cause the extinction of humanity, and substantial evidence to the contrary.
It may make the world a much worse place to live, but the doomers are almost as unscientific as the deniers.
Queue angry buzzing noises.
criitz@reddthat.com 11 months ago
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Definitely a possible outcome.
FlaminGoku@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Which won’t happen.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
It can if we do it ourselves. Leaders have failed us for decades. It’s up to ordinary people to bring change.
force@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’re not wrong at all, humans won’t go extinct. The alarming thing is all the other things which will go extinct or be reduced in number, and the change in water/soil/weather sources. Biodiversity and not having your neighbourhood turned into a desert are pretty important things to like, not have life suck. Plus you know, having access to clean water… in 50 years we’ll all be living like poor African children are now*
*I am not a climate scientist, nor do I have much actual knowledge on climate science
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
I don’t disagree at all but this seems to be a common misconception. See the OP from the Twitter thread and the angry bees I’ve enraged.
force@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think it speaks to how little nuance people are willing to tolerate before they throw a person in the “on my side” or “not on my side” category. And it speaks to how little people actually know about the science behind the activism they’re apparently a part of.
Facebones@reddthat.com 11 months ago
This is the thing for me, everyone who makes that argument is actually saying “a temperature change won’t make us extinct.” They don’t care that we’ll go extinct from the effects because cars go brrrr.
Gabu@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Are you a parody account or just a total moron?
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Lol what?
exocrinous@startrek.website 11 months ago
We already took people like you seriously. We had the debates, we looked at the evidence, we waited to see. We did it for a hundred years. And what did we get? More oil, more death, more crop failure, more disasters. Enough is enough!
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Apparently you haven’t looked at the evidence or we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Science is settled, there is no debate to be had here. I am not aware of any research that points to human extinction as a possibility, let alone anything likely. But you’re the one who pushed back and I can’t prove a negative. So if you don’t wish to provide evidence or discuss then keep your ignorance to yourself.
Pilgrim@beehaw.org 11 months ago
The climate change itself isn’t the danger to our species, it’s the nuclear-armed states that will feel increasing pressure for areas with water or other resources they need, who miscalculate relative advantage in stressful scenarios.
triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml 11 months ago
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catch22@startrek.website 11 months ago
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LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
I mean to be clear I’m fully on board with rapid decarbonization. But when you get the facts wrong in this way, you give fuel for idiots like Ron Paul, and fill people with a paralyzing pessimism that makes change less, and not more likely. There is also research to support this point—climate optimists are more likely to take action rather than doom scrolling on Twitter or whatever.
Xephonian@retrolemmy.com 11 months ago
It’s not ‘for nothing’. So-called “net zero” policies are incredibly costly to implement (not to mention completely unattainable). These policies (that aren’t voted on and pushed by global special interest groups) inflict great harm on the economy and food availability.
Attacking farmers is never the right answer. Imagine attacking your own food supply. How pathetic.
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 11 months ago
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deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
My country produces enough food for our own population eight-fold. So fuck the 7/8 farmers that are fucking our environment over for a dollar.
catch22@startrek.website 11 months ago
Indeed, trickle down environmental improvements will come guided by the invisible hand of the market.
And you’re completely right, food supply should be protected. Maybe programmes to plant wild vegetation such as well suited local produce everywhere instead of bare concrete and wasteland could help, not only food supply but also the environment.
But then that would effect farming profitability, so that of course is too idealistic and not viable… I wish I was as clever as you.
exocrinous@startrek.website 11 months ago
Spending money on public infrastructure is good for the economy. It creates jobs. I’m starting to think you’re just using the economy as a euphemism for billionaire portfolios.