You are on Lemmy asking why would anybody fuck with Google?
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TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 5 months agoThat’s what he’s doing. Not why he’s doing it?
dwindling7373@feddit.it 5 months ago
blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Lemmy is cool and mainstream now bucko. Have you seen the amount of shit posts on your front page lately? If not, congrats, you’ve curated your feed about as much as you probably already did on reddit too lol.
prole@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Because fuck them, that’s why. Nobody, not a single person, is out there trying to make AI that will make the lives of average humans more livable. 100% of it is for corporate profit.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I don’t want to do a job that a machine would do better than me.
And then where do you think your income will come from? It won’t. Come from anywhere. You’ll just be out of a job, no longer able to afford rent or food, but don’t worry because for a brief moment, they really maximized shareholder value.
Yeah, that’s my problem, and, on a broader scale, society’s problem. When enough people get hungry, things will have to change. The alternative is…doing pointless labor that a machine could do better, just to prop up a failed system. Forced inefficiency. How depressing is that?
prole@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Well if the two options I have are: continue being able to afford to live while doing a job that can now be done by a machine, or to just let it happen with zero safety net and let the good vibes from the naive optimism of “if enough people go hungry, then things will have to change.” I’m sure that’ll be a great comfort in that time
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Those are not your two options. Society will have to reform from technological pressure. Political activism, such as lobbying for a universal basic income, is part of this.
Trying to fight progress just so you can keep your shitty job helps neither you nor society. That energy would be better spent on a future that’s an improvement for everybody.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 5 months ago
You’re not doing work for free. That’s a really weird way to look at it. You’re doing it to gain access to a service, an entirely optional one. It’s somewhat believable when people say oh, yes I have a car but I have to have a car, I’d like not to. But nobody is required to use GMail to live.
And yes, feel free to be an AI pessimist. You could quite well be right. It seems bizarre to me however to make an effort to sabotage this one specific AI training (which might stop cars from running us down) so that you can log into something which will also be used to train AI (to sell you shit). And then posting your opinion about it here, where it will be used to train an AI.
prole@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I feel like you think you just thought of something truly groundbreaking, “You criticize society yet you live in society. Curious.”
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 5 months ago
… I don’t see how you can genuinely have understood that to be a point I was making. That’s the opposite of what I was saying. I even gave an example of how you might be forced to drive a car. Because you are in fact forced to live in society. But you are here on Lemmy so you must understand that you are not forced to use Gmail? So either you’re being disingenuous or you’re not actually reading all of what I’m posting. Given how you completely ignored the majority of my other post and went straight to “oH sO iF wE dO iT fOr 20 yEaRs”, I’m going with the latter.
then_three_more@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The lolz.
Or to slow the inevitable AI takeover of society.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 5 months ago
Is it going to put a lot of… traffic light recognisers out of work?
prole@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Are you for real?
then_three_more@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yes. If you count taxi drivers, lorry drivers, bus drivers, delivery drivers.
I think mostly it’ll be the first option though, and a happy feeling from “sticking it to the man”.
myxi@feddit.nl 5 months ago
The data collected from these tools are used to train models that detect cars and stuff with a lot of accuracy. Decades of data from millions of users each day. Once these are perfected, they will be sold to smart car users as auto-driving mode and so on. These services are likely going to be subscription based to maximize the profits.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Not to mention that they’ll probably be used by cops to profile people long before then…
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 5 months ago
Profile people as… traffic lights?
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 months ago
You’re being overly literal, but…maybe that too? 🤷
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 5 months ago
Yes?
Sorry I’m not sure “why?” is a difficult question. People keep explaining that is happening as if this hasn’t been happening in various forms for 20 years.
If its “I don’t want to contribute to machine learning”, I’ve got exciting news for you about every post you are making on this site where every comment is publicly accessible and consumable.
prole@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I just don’t think many of us believe that, “it’s been happening in various forms for 20 years” is an acceptable reason to continue doing or accepting something.
You act as if Captchas themselves weren’t created to prevent corporations from gaming the system. Like you do realize that the only reason that “every post you are making on this site blahblah” is because corporations just had to exploit the system for profit at the expense of literally everyone.
So yeah, no. “You’ve been doing it already for 20 years” doesn’t cut it for me.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 5 months ago
The 20 years thing was my bafflement as to why people felt the need to explain what Captchas are. Not a justification for their existence. When I ask “why” I think I’m pretty clearly not asking to have how Captchas work explained to me.
Putting that aside, can you explain to me how asking you to identify a traffic light is “at the expense of literally everyone”?
Someone was saying “they’ll train smart cars! And sell it to us as a subscription!” which I think is the same route you’re going down. But… how is that at the expense of everyone? And would not training smart cars benefit anyone? Is someone else going to do it? Is there a FOSS smart car I can contribue to? And is that FOSS going to prevent bad actors from training it to misbehave?
meekah@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’d assume it’s because he doesn’t want to hand out free labor.