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tal@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Who is “we”?

The lemmy devs run lemmy.ml. They’re kind of…out there, politically.

The lead dev, dessalines, has material like:

dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html

Admitted to supporting and arming Neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalist groups like the Azov battalion in Ukraine to overthrow it’s former pro-Russia govt, 2. Ukraine now has a pro-US, nazi-glorifying government with ultranationalism, anti-semitism, neo-nazi pogroms, and attacks on LGBT groups.

Dessalines is in the “we need the Soviet Union back and Stalin is awesome” camp. He was using a picture of Stalin as his profile picture for a while.

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FluffyPotato@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Like complaining about attacks on LGBT people while supporting Russia and the USSR seems just the most hypocritical thing I can think of. Does he not know Stalin mandated a 5 year minimum forced labor sentence in Siberia for being gay and Russia today is only mildly better for LGBT people.

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- tal@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Frankly, I think that complaining that a government headed by a Jewish guy is anti-semitic is even more bonkers.
  
  That being said, I’m sure that dessalines didn’t originate that himself – that’s apparently big in Russia’s propaganda.
  
  Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, rather infamously had a quote shortly after the start of the invasion, when asked about the whole “how anti-Semitic can Ukrainians be if they chose to elect a Jewish president” thing:
  
  www.npr.org/…/lavrov-israel-zelenskyy-hitler
  
  Lavrov was asked about Russia’s claim that it had invaded Ukraine to “denazify” the country, which has a democratically-elected Jewish president.
  
  “So when they say ‘How can Nazification exist if we’re Jewish?’ In my opinion, Hitler also had Jewish origins, so it doesn’t mean absolutely anything,” he told the station in Russian, referring to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s religion, according to the Associated Press. “For some time we have heard from the Jewish people that the biggest antisemites were Jewish.”
  
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  - FluffyPotato@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Nazi and fascist have different meanings in Russia. They mean people working against the interests of Russia, it originates from the USSR. For example the gay community was labeled fascist during the soviet occupation here.
    
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  - Gabu@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    I think that complaining that a government headed by a Jewish guy is anti-semitic is even more bonkers.
    
    * frantically points to Israel *
    
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possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You know there crazy when they think the left is the far right

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Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
TBF the Azov Battalion is a real neo nazi us funded (through Ukraine support) group… So… Not entirely wrong?

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- CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Sure. You can find ideologically opposite militias fighting for Ukraine too, though. Zelensky is in charge and he’s obviously not a Nazi. Singling Azov out without the context is basically a propaganda technique.
  
  Also, Russia is acting a lot like Nazis from the very highest levels, except a shittier more openly corrupt version.
  
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  - Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah I don’t disagree that the overall claim by Russia is bullshit, that doesn’t take away from the fact they do exist and are outwardly nazi.
    
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- FluffyPotato@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Oh, yea, the Ukrain military has a bit of a nazi problem but the time to deal with that is not when you are being invaded. Also the nazi talking point is mostly a red herring anyways since the nazi problem in Russia is magnitudes worse and isn’t limited to their military.
  
  So it’s technically not wrong but tankies don’t really have a problem with nazies, otherwise they wouldn’t be defending Russia, they are anti USA and will side with anything that’s even close to that side with no regards to any other belief. I’m not a fan of the US either but I’m not going to blindly support anything against it either.
  
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