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qyron@lemmy.pt ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

So lets stop to consider, regardless of that nazi memorabilia.

You live under a fascist dictatorial regime. There are very few options available for you to live a relatively uneventful life.

Either you’re an open, true, supporter, a passive one or a dissimulated dicident. Yes, there are more options available, but lets take these as the most broad categories.

Now let us consider that your regime an enacted several acts of domestic, unprovoked violence, internal purges and other assorted brutal and unpredictable actions against social peace and stability, in order to cement its unquestionable power over an entire nation.

Then, that same regime advances to a state of war, where all resources and infrastructure are comandeered to bolster the military.

At some point, companies are put a very simple option: either they cooperate and remain active or they refuse and suffer the consequences, that at best can be simple nationalization and purge of the heads.

Considering all of this, BMW supporting Germany’s war effort is understanble.

Do I agree with that decision? No. But do I understand it? Yes.

Cooperate and live or refuse and die? Not an hard choice, especially if a lot of money is put on the table.

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TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
cool nazi apologia

thats a lot of words for “companies dont care about anything except money”

we get it, they followed what the country’s trends did regardless of the cost

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- Rilichu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Thousands might be being murdered a day in death camps but at least the shareholders are happy.
  
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Stinkywinks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Awe, poor multi million dollar corporation had to support the Nazi war killing a shit ton of people or they would lose monies…

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- Sotuanduso@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  What do you think the Nazis did to people who refused to support them?
  
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  - Stinkywinks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    What do you think would happen if everyone didn’t support them? You think it’s okay to genocide if someone threatens you with a spanking?
    
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    Sotuanduso@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    No, I don’t think it’s okay. Yes, I know that if nobody supported them, the Nazis would have never risen to power in the first place.
    
    But “corporation bad” doesn’t mean it’s always a matter of “I did this horrible thing to save a bit of money.” Sometimes there are lives on the line.
    
    Please do not equate concentration camps with a spanking either. You don’t need to belittle the actual suffering they caused to make the valid point that cooperating with them is evil.
    
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- qyron@lemmy.pt ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I’d risk, with a good degree of comfort, that the negotiations would have been more along the lines of “serve your country and be paid for it or don’t serve your country and go to a concentration camp and die a miserable death”, the last part as subtext.
  
  You do not negotiate with any sort of dictatorial regime. The regime holds all the cards, including the cards the other players think they have in hand.
  
  BMW and, by extension, any company, be it small or large, cooperating with any regime is understandable. It’s that or risk a terrible, more or less public, demise. That is why dictatorial regimes go to great lenghts to ensure companies and business owner favorability by putting large quantities of money and/or resources.
  
  Self preservation is easy to turn into greed.
  
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  - Stinkywinks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    There wouldn’t have been a dictator if THEY didn’t make him one. They should have resisted. Their selfishness in preserving their greedy company at the cost of millions of lives does not make them innocent.
    
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gamer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If we don’t hold corporations accountable for these types of things, they’ll be more likely to go along with it next time. All of the corporations that helped the Nazis should have been dissolved, had their assets liquidated, and used to pay reparations.

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- qyron@lemmy.pt ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Could you be so kind and explain how would you ensure those who would be losing their livelyhoods survive? And their families?
  
  We tend to peg a face to a company and demonize the whole from one person, like the tweeter debacle and that hair enhanced loon that bought it out of a whim, motivated by spite.
  
  How many have lost their jobs already and how many more would lose them if the company was to be dissolved for punishment in their spread of false information (thus, aiding and abetting) that have led to the terrible losses and even worst for many?
  
  Or perhaps Facebook, with their assistance with covering and gagging the genocide in Myanmar?
  
  This doesn’t mean I disagree with severely punishing these entities. Fine them in millions and billions, force them to break into competing entities, severely regulate and control their actions. But kill a company because, and in this particular case for BMW, they could cooperate or cease to exist, perhaps in horrendous ways?
  
  That would make the punishment as bad or worst than the crime.
  
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- marmo7ade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  The people working at those corporations would have been murdered. You want people to commit suicide. That’s really the argument being made in this comment thread: people should commit suicide instead of taking immoral action under the threat of violence or death.
  
  If someone puts a gun to my head and makes me choose between my life and your life, I’m choosing my life.
  
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veganpizza69@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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- qyron@lemmy.pt ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  What ever you may be trying to convey it’s completely lost on me, as I don’t have the faintest idea of what that is or means.
  
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Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
For a moment I thought you were talking about the USA.

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- qyron@lemmy.pt ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Heerily similar, isn’t it?
  
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