Comment on My dachshund is trying to kill me

• JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Cat: “Damnations, he survived! Until next time, hooman.”

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• MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Serioudly, this is why I will NEVER agree with anyone who says cats are smarter than dogs.

  Cats are pure instinct. I’ve kicked (on accident) two cats around the house several feet because they’ll straight up run and try to rub on my legs while I’m in full stride. It’s seldom a soft contact, so I doubt they want to get tossed.

  My sister also constantly complains how the males predate on the females. You know, cats. Literally predators, as in that is their instinct!

  They’re just stupid predators, and all the cat people that defend them are in denial or just as instinctually dumb (emotionally reactive, in human terms).

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  • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    People don’t “get” cats the way they “get” dogs, and cats don’t “get” people the way dogs “get” people.

    But cats definitely do think, they can do some pretty complex problem solving, and can even be trained with the right methods and motivation. But you basically have to teach yourself how an alien race might process the world to be able to understand their behaviour. I’ve no clue if that makes them smarter than dogs. Dogs certainly understand humans better, and vice versa.

    I don’t pretend to know what goes on in my cat’s head, but I’ve gotten pretty damn good at predicting behaviour, and even modifying it where needed.

    And you’re right about one thing, getting a cat to unlearn something instinctual is basically impossible. Digging their claws into you when they are relaxed is a good example, no matter what you do, your cat is will always mercilessly knead whatever it’s sitting on when it’s happy.

    For some reason walking into your legs as you move is one of those things they just keep doing, but I’ve gotten my cat to stop doing a variety of other things I didn’t want it doing.

    My biggest success is kitchen counters. He no lingers jumps onto them. Ever. I’ve even taken him to relatives and friends, and he somehow knows the same rules apply.

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    • BorgDrone@lemmy.one ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      you basically have to teach yourself how an alien race might process the world to be able to understand their behaviour.

      I’m autistic. A common explanation of how we experience the world is like being born on the wrong planet; people look like me, but they all behave in strange and alien ways. For me, cats are much easier to deal with than dogs. I’ve heard cats been described as ‘autistic dogs’. Research has also shown that autistic children like cats more than they like dogs. If autistics are born on the wrong planet, then cats must be from the same planet as us.

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    • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How’d you manage to get them off counters?

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      • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The best way is to change something so the cat doesn’t wanna be there in the first place.

        I used a motion activated can of pressured air to scare him off the counter, changing its position so different parts of the counter were covered at different times. That, plus instantly pushing him off the counter whenever I got the chance.

        He stopped hopping up there after just a few weeks of this, and I haven’t had to use the pressured air can since.

        I did something similar with his habit of shredding the toilet paper. I set a metal measuring cup on the tp, so that whenever he’d go to unroll it the metal cup would loudly clang onto the tile floor. Had to manually reset the cup each time, but it took him less than a week to get the point.

        Cat’s do problem solving very quickly, but I don’t think they see us people as a problem that needs solving. People like to joke that cats teach their owners to do more tricks than the other way around, and it’s true, I know exactly what ques mean pet me, play with me, swap my water, feed me, etc.

        But if you change the environment so that it teaches the thing you want the cat to learn, it’s insane I quickly their behaviour changes.

        I imagine the counter training wouldn’t have worked nearly as well if it was just me spraying canned air, rather than a consistent automatic device with no clear person operating it.

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  • DingoBilly@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As opposed to dogs where you can just abuse and mistreat them and they’ll still be loyal! Clearly the smarter pet.

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    • BorgDrone@lemmy.one ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Dogs have been bred for blind obedience and unconditional love towards humans. This is one of the reasons I prefer cats. A cat likes you (or not) by choice. A dog literally cannot do anything else, it’s bred into its genes. Even then, you have to keep a dog on a leash or train it not to wander off. My cat can go out whenever she wants and she comes back every time, zero training required.

      A cat is a companion, a dog is a slave.

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      • DingoBilly@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yep, I feel exactly the same way.

        When a cat wants to spend time with you they actually want to.

        You can smack a dog and do whatever you want to it and they’ll still come running to spend time with you. It’s not loyal, it’s just stupid.

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    • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s a social trait, not an intelligence one. The fact you view kindness and loyalty as stupidity speaks volumes about your character…

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      • DingoBilly@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ever heard the term loyal to a fault? There’s loyal and there’s stupid.

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