Comment on 'The gold rush is over:' Slay the Spire and Darkest Dungeon devs say that big Game Pass and Epic exclusive deals have dried up for indie devs

• ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I really wish they’d start by not making the EGS program a fucking UE5 app. Seriously, using the whole ass engine to render html is stupid beyond belief

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  • pivot_root@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wait, is it seriously a full-blown UE5 application?

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    • DdCno1@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I was going to call shenanigans, but then I looked at the details of the application:

      https://i.imgur.com/J30SGAr.png

      So it seems there is something to it.

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      • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If you peruse the folder where it’s installed and compared to any UE4 or UE5 game, you’ll notice all the other similarities in .dll files, folders and whatnot. Even the CrashReporter.exe is the same you see in unreal games. Or you can check the config files at Epic Games\Launcher\Engine\Config which has stuff like BaseEngine.ini which, among other networking configurations, also has this:

        [/Script/Engine.Engine]
        ConsoleClassName=/Script/Engine.Console
        GameViewportClientClassName=/Script/Engine.GameViewportClient
        LocalPlayerClassName=/Script/Engine.LocalPlayer
        WorldSettingsClassName=/Script/Engine.WorldSettings
        NavigationSystemClassName=/Script/NavigationSystem.NavigationSystemV1
        NavigationSystemConfigClassName=/Script/NavigationSystem.NavigationSystemModuleConfig
        AvoidanceManagerClassName=/Script/Engine.AvoidanceManager
        PhysicsCollisionHandlerClassName=/Script/Engine.PhysicsCollisionHandler
        

        So, yeah, it’s the actual engine. I was going to complain about disk bloat, but my Steam install is currently sitting at 1.3GB and I’m not entirely sure how much of that is from cached stuff. GOG Galaxy is taking ~980MB, but roughly 650MB are from redist installers (MSVC2005, 2007, dotnet, etc), so a “clean” install would be way lighter than Steam or EGS, the latter at 1.1GB on a clean install.

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      • pivot_root@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That is ridiculous. Even Electron would have been better…

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  • steakmeoutt@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why is it stupid exactly? UE5 scales very well and places very little demand on hardware for simple tasks.

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    • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ever heard the saying “Everything looks like a nail when you have a hammer”? Basically, just because you have a tool, it doesn’t mean it’s the best tool for every job. UE5 is great for making games, cinematics and loads of other stuff. But why use it to effectively behave as a browser like Chrome or Firefox, but worse, when there are alternatives made specifically for that?

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      • steakmeoutt@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s not really a valid response. Please accurately clarify why UE5 is inefficient at running a store. Benchmarks and other evidence is required.

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• Gabu@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nope. Godot, a fully free Unity-like Engine is shaping up to be the defacto standard for good games (AAA garbage is being ignored purposefully)

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  • pivot_root@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I know Godot exists, and it’s preferable to supporting Epic, but it isn’t up to feature parity with UE5. Particularly, when it comes to asset streaming and open world games, Unreal has better support out of the box.

    I would love for Godot to be the standard and first choice for every developer (including AAA), though.

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  • UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “ignoring the major players in the industry”

    UE5 had turned into the standard whether you like it or not. I personally don’t like the engine, but that doesn’t mean I’ll lie about its position in the market, and neither should you. You aren’t doing Godot any favours with it

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    • Gabu@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      When said “major players” only pump out trash that’s not fun to play, yes, I will ignore them gladly. The last AAA game I bought was Fallen Order, which I promply refunded after finishing, since it was more of a walking and climbing simulator than anything else – and that was one of the better AAA games to come out in the past decade.

      Indie devs and studios are the ones actually carrying the industry forwards.

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      • UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Your preference doesn’t dictate what’s industry standard is my point. It would be like someone only playing exclusively Total War games claiming the Warscape Engine is industry standard, sounds pretty stupid doesn’t it.

        The last AAA game I bought was Fallen Order,

        A shame you missed out on Baldurs Gate 3 then. Alan Wake also got great criticism.

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