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excuse me but what the fuck is the nazi bat problem
gregorum@lemm.ee 3 months ago
teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
So, basically, if you tolerate the intolerant, the intolerant will eventually wipe out tolerance.
A more accurate way to say it is, “if you tolerate the intolerant BEING intolerant, intolerance will eventually wipe out tolerance.”
It does not say you should be intolerant of the intolerant while they’re minding their own business. I just think a bar owner is free to kick people out for representing Nazis purely because it’s their bar and they can do what they want.
But X’s problem is a bit different from the Nazi Bar problem, in that you don’t really see the Neo Nazis on X sitting there minding their own business. You ONLY see them voicing their intolerance. Which of course, should not be tolerated.
Tolerate tolerate tolerate. There.
gregorum@lemm.ee 3 months ago
It does not say you should be intolerant of the intolerant while they’re minding their own business
it is a fallacy that the intolerant mind their own business. being intolerant is, itself, an active state, not a passive one, and one to be actively resisted. being intolerant involves choice, a choice to be intolerant. there is no “minding one’s own business” in being intolerant, as being intolerant necessarily involves minding the business of others.
so your argument is, itself, fallacious in its foundation.
teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
gtfo with your nazi apologism
That was so fast, you make me rub my temples in pain, my guy.
So, people are people, they aren’t their ideals. People have more than one state of mind, they aren’t 2D cardboard cutouts (or drawings of red skull). Life would be easier if they were, I agree, but the world is more complex than that.
People are born into environments they have no control over. People are handed ideals before they know what they are. People learn from their environment. People change their minds about things. You literally wouldn’t bother commenting right now if you didn’t agree with me.
If a person is sitting peacefully, let them. If a person is taking any action to impede any other person’s ability to sit peacefully, then stop them. But don’t attack a person who is sitting peacefully, because they’ll probably want to attack you, or someone else, back.
Now call me a nazi again, and we can agree to disagree. Jfc.
FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 3 months ago
Nazism—the attempt to organize the commission of genocide—is an act of violence and must always be responded to as such.
Nazism is never minding its own business.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 months ago
A more accurate way to say it is, “if you tolerate the intolerant BEING intolerant, intolerance will eventually wipe out tolerance.”
If the intolerant could mind their own business and tolerate people they didn’t agree with, they literally wouldn’t be part of the intolerant. That’s the point: it’s a core part of who they are and we have to cut it out like a cancer to have a tolerant society. (Sorry for making you read the T-word so many times.)
FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 3 months ago
excuse me but what the fuck is the nazi bat problem
When you find a nazi but you can't find a bat.
Mint@lemmy.one 3 months ago
You have a bar: Nazi comes into your bar, you let him stay, because why not its just a single nazi. Nazi invites friends, those friends invite their friends, and so on. Now you a have nazi bar.