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• The_Jewish_Cuban@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Intersectionality is the idea that various forms of privilege and circumstance interact with each other to make an individual. Certain influences are more impactful upon a particular person’s circumstances, and thus influence privilege to a much greater extent. The non-linear nature that DinosaurThussy is talking about can better be shown with examples.

  If you’re homeless and white it’s clear that you’re in a worse off situation than a billionaire who is black. Class status has a far greater influence on this situation. It would be fair to say that the black billionaire has more privilege due to his class status but not his ethnic identity. That being said, it’s unlikely that the white man was denied a job due to his race in a way a homeless black person may be. Being poor and white and poor and black have many commonalities, but intersectional analysis allows us to understand the different ways and avenues that particular characteristics influences the ways that a person may end up in a particular circumstance.

  The idea continues on. A person who is a billionaire may be significantly shielded from a lot of racism, or face it in a less extreme way. For example, that proverbial black billionaire likely wouldn’t have many run ins with racist cops in impoverished neighborhoods. However, he still might face the unifying characteristic of being called a slur by his peers in the way that a poor black person might. His privilege of wealth may not complete inoculate him facing racism at all, even if he faces it in a less extreme way.

  In essence, this situation is viewing individuals dialectic-ly. It seeks to understand how all of a person’s identity and circumstances relate to the struggles and oppression certain groups or people may face in society.

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  • Dra@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I empathise with most of this and thank you for bothering to respond without resorting to 4chan energy.

    The problem that remains unresolved is the refusal of some people to acknowledge that, like in science, observation is not without cost. What ends up happening is the observation of these trends then causes casualties of blame - in your example we could say the huge population of white people who dont fundamentally see black people in any light other than equal. An insult based on a black billionaire being a greedy billionaire gets called racially charged, when actually, it’s entirely class based. This reliably means that (for example) white working class boys/girls are left to rot.

    Personally I see most of these prejudicial issues being an exclusively American problem that has been exported abroad, to the extent now that its difficult to untangle.

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    • Bay_of_Piggies@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Prejudice being exclusively a domain of America is a crazy hot take

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      • Dra@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        America has prejudicial issues at astonishing levels compared to the rest of the developed world. Obviously its an absurd statement to say there is no predujude abroad in the western world, but the US has the controlling stake in it, and happens to be an infectious cultural juggernaut.

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    • AOCapitulator@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is what happens when you view the world through liberal idealism instead of doing any material analysis whatsoever

      Systems aren’t real, they’re just imaginary, they can’t hurt you, there’s no such thing as systemic oppression just a few bad apples

      Lmfao shut up

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    • aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Personally I see most of these prejudicial issues being an exclusively American problem that has been exported abroad

      Have you forgotten who colonised most of the world, including America?

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    • rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You are correct, but you can’t discuss on a rational level with people from hexbear, just give up.

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• Adkml@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That poor mine worker is still in a better position than an otherwise identical minority would be in the same position.

  A poor mine worker is in a tough place but at least he wasn’t refused that job because the company doesn’t hire non white people.

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  • Dra@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This exporting US culture shit has got to stop

    We aren’t talking about another mine worker. We are comparing 2 individuals with certain characteristics. You have instead decided to compare a third individual because the initial comparison made the concept break down

    Just because someone is a certain color does not prescribe to them any specific value judgement. As soon as you do that, one of those categories becomes the ongoing scapegoat for everyone’s problems, and it becomes fascist.

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    • Adkml@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Does it ever occur to you that for your arguments to make sense you have to strip it of all context, historical perspecrive or material reality.

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      • Dra@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This is precisely the issue that I pointed at before, in reality, not everyone of a certain demographic has an advantage over everyone else of a certain demographic. Its a stupid point to attempt to initiate change because its flawed from the start

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• AOCapitulator@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  For example, just because a queer person is white does not mean they experience the same privilege as a cis het white person, would be one example of this

  Or how all women are oppressed, but the tribulations of white women are Not the same as those facing women of color or trans women, for example

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