Comment on There is one uncleared level remaining in Super Mario Maker, with 18 days to go before the servers shut down

lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You need to beat the level to upload it, and I suspect it’s a clear check upload - however, separately, the game tracks first clear and world record after a level is uploaded.

  My understanding is that the goal is to clear every beatable level that doesn’t have a first clear (and some that have been cleared by known hackers, but I think those are all cleared legitimately already)

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• Kimano@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That video is a TAS, no human has cleared the level.

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  • Agrivar@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Forgive my ignorance, as even a quick search failed me, but what is a TAS?

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    • Chip_Rat@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tool assisted speed run. People write programs to run the game over and over, and by doing that they can prove or disprove potential strats, routes and such and then humans can try them.

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    • Ferrous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tool Assisted Speedrun

      Using a script to automatically press all the buttons on the exact right frames so that you can automate a speedrun.

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    • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This?

      “Tool Assisted Game Movie” tasvideos.org

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  • hansl@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That video is rumored to be a tas. The only proof of TAS we have is salty egos. It would have also been as hard to TAS on the WiiU at the time than to just practice the level.

    Also the creator has another bomb based level where he shows off his skills. It’s technically easier but uses the same tricks as this one.

    There’s no serious reasons to believe he didn’t clear it correctly.

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    • kuneho@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It would have also been as hard to TAS on the WiiU at the time than to just practice the level.

      What do you mean by that?

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      • hansl@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ahoyoo was known to be a good player, particularly with bombs (his other level, bombs5, is the same kind of tricks).

        In 2017, there was no emulator capable of running SMM1 properly, and there was no controller for it to TAS with. So in order to TAS the level, he would have had to build an Arduino, learn to code, detect somehow when the level starts, send inputs to the USB port, enter the right inputs, and try and work out timings which are actually very difficult even in old systems, and very time consuming.

        The best players currently are making progress on the level with around 20 hours of practice. Ahoyoo likely had hundreds of hours on this level alone (as the creator even, just to make the level), and it’s said he spent thousands of hours playing the game obsessively. Spending more time to TAS would have been counter productive. If not impossible without an emulator (for reasons that are very technical TAS’ing a modern system is close to impossible without a camera and some AI).

        Now there is a theory that he could have cheated the video (with editing) and cheated the submission process, but the cheats for submission were not widely known at the time (2017) and Ahoyoo wasn’t known as an editor. So he would have needed help etc etc. That leave traces on forums that people likely would have found by now.

        Being a good player and obsessed at the game as he was, it’s more likely that he beat it fair and square, the way people are getting closer every day to beat it. So with all the evidence we know that accusation doesn’t hold.

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