Comment on Cloudflare Employee records her final meeting where HR tries to fire her
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 months agoNah. They are the blame. If your work requires you to do shitty things go find other work. If that is too difficult of a concept then you have to wonder why they are doing it to other people. Getting a new.job is super easy right?
Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I get your point, but just playing Devil’s advocate here: don’t work in real estate because it’s fraud and landlords are thieves, don’t work for McDonald’s because your work make people fat and unhealthy, don’t work retail or manufacturing because your work encourages capitalism and all its evils…? I mean… don’t like 90% of all jobs require you to do shitty things?
Most people in HR went in the field with pretty decent intentions. They have debts and families to feed and the job they landed is sometimes for a shitty employer.
If you want to hate someone, don’t hate the HR person who’s dealing with their own shitty problems, blame the uber rich, that maintain everyone else in a constant state of infighting while they lobby or buy lawmakers to ensure the poor get poorer so they get richer. There the ones maintaining a hyper capitalistic society and making sure executives are ordering the cuts (often ending with cutting the HR folks after they finish the layoffs)
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I might see that point of view if they didn’t act like they drank the Kool aid.
In any case there is plenty of moral work. Mine is.
wellee@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Agreed lol. People are backing down and here, and don’t. YOU are responsible for being a moral person, you aren’t off the hook just because “my boss told me to!”. I’ve worked in an industry where my boss wanted me to cut safety corners and falsify data. I never did. I knew the repercussions that could happen.
I don’t work for renting companies because of this reason! I’ve thought about applying, I have the experience and skills. But I know how they operate. I lived in a building where every good landlord I had as a renter was fired by the property owners for trying to operate efficiently and legally. One woman even knew it was coming, and helped everyone get lawyers for the illegal stuff the property owners were doing.
Louder for those lying to themselves. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING A MORAL PERSON. You don’t get to back out just because your boss told you to do something.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Military contractors pay more because they have problems finding people willing to work for them. Imagine a better world where everyone decided under orders wasn’t an excuse. Cops would report bad cops, juries would never convict on drug or prostitute charges, the militaries of the world would be reduced to crafting swords, medical and student loan debt system would collapse.
Obedience to authority, best book I have ever read in my life. A shrink analysis the tendency of humans to be awfult.o each other as long as an authority figure says it is required.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
Sorry, but If you’re asked to fire people in this way then you should stand up for yourself and say “sorry, but I’m not going to treat people in this way and contribute to traumatizing them. We need to be more transparent and give them clear reasons why they are being fired.”
If you just do whatever you’re told with no concern for the consequences then you are supporting the company’s actions and you are a shitty human being.