Comment on Cloudflare Employee records her final meeting where HR tries to fire her
Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 11 months agoPlease allow me to offer a nuance on the topic of HR. I see a lot of hate about HR on this thread and quite a bit is founded… But on the other hand, two things:
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the HR folks themselves are not to blame for the fact that the company overhired, are cutting people, or even to some extent some shitty strategies like pretending people are fire for cause instead of laid off. It’s decided by executives ans the CEO, and HR operationalizes. I’ll fully grant though that they sometimes (often) operationalize shittily.
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and more importantly, HR is shitty in a shitty company, and pretty decent in a (quite rare) decent company. Fundamentally HR’s job is to help manage humans as a resource, and among other tasks it means to protect the company against human-related risks. There are different fundamental beliefs and philosophies companies can have around how to avoid that risk - and their HR strategy is set accordingly.
Some decent (rare) employers believe that to avoid risks like being sued or unionizing, the best strategy is to provide employees with a healthy work environment, competitive pay and to remove toxic managers and executives quickly. In these companies HR plays a very strong policing role ensuring that managers don’t cause human related risk by abusing workers. I know it sounds idealistic and I’ll 100% grant that it applies unfortunately to a very small sample of employers, but it’s true.
Of course way more common are companies with the philosophy that to avoid these risks you need to squash people, back your managers at all cost, never admit a fault, etc - and that’s the shitty strategy operationalized by shitty a HR department.
Lastly the governmental labour laws framework of a country plays a big role too - in some countries where those laws are super weak like the US, particularly if your employer is your only way to access half decent healthcare, you can’t afford to change employer - and the shitty strategy becomes a much lower cost than the decent one (found a bit more often in Canada, way more in Europe and even more in Scandinavian countries)
Sorry for the walltext rambling
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Nah. They are the blame. If your work requires you to do shitty things go find other work. If that is too difficult of a concept then you have to wonder why they are doing it to other people. Getting a new.job is super easy right?
Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I get your point, but just playing Devil’s advocate here: don’t work in real estate because it’s fraud and landlords are thieves, don’t work for McDonald’s because your work make people fat and unhealthy, don’t work retail or manufacturing because your work encourages capitalism and all its evils…? I mean… don’t like 90% of all jobs require you to do shitty things?
Most people in HR went in the field with pretty decent intentions. They have debts and families to feed and the job they landed is sometimes for a shitty employer.
If you want to hate someone, don’t hate the HR person who’s dealing with their own shitty problems, blame the uber rich, that maintain everyone else in a constant state of infighting while they lobby or buy lawmakers to ensure the poor get poorer so they get richer. There the ones maintaining a hyper capitalistic society and making sure executives are ordering the cuts (often ending with cutting the HR folks after they finish the layoffs)
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I might see that point of view if they didn’t act like they drank the Kool aid.
In any case there is plenty of moral work. Mine is.
wellee@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Agreed lol. People are backing down and here, and don’t. YOU are responsible for being a moral person, you aren’t off the hook just because “my boss told me to!”. I’ve worked in an industry where my boss wanted me to cut safety corners and falsify data. I never did. I knew the repercussions that could happen.
I don’t work for renting companies because of this reason! I’ve thought about applying, I have the experience and skills. But I know how they operate. I lived in a building where every good landlord I had as a renter was fired by the property owners for trying to operate efficiently and legally. One woman even knew it was coming, and helped everyone get lawyers for the illegal stuff the property owners were doing.
Louder for those lying to themselves. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING A MORAL PERSON. You don’t get to back out just because your boss told you to do something.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Sorry, but If you’re asked to fire people in this way then you should stand up for yourself and say “sorry, but I’m not going to treat people in this way and contribute to traumatizing them. We need to be more transparent and give them clear reasons why they are being fired.”
If you just do whatever you’re told with no concern for the consequences then you are supporting the company’s actions and you are a shitty human being.