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• DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Yes, and I doubt American Communism would be that way.

  It’s often overlooked that Communism isn’t a singlular unbending set of rules or type of government - every single instance of Communism has come with its own modifications and differences.

  I imagine American Communism (which is extraordinarily unlikely to ever come about) would involve Free Speech, the right to bear arms, and Religious freedoms.

  Ideally it would retain a multi-party system, and be open to being voted out.

  It would have totally new and American qualities to it - for better and for worse. That’s what history has shown to occur. Vietnamese Communism isn’t like Chinese Communism isn’t like Russian Communism, and frankly the new versions tend to be better.

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  • copingwithelmons@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Ideally it would retain a multi-party system, and be open to being voted out (with a smooth transition of government garanteed).

    It seems like such an important and obvious forethought. I can’t imagine how any of these communist countries missed on that.

    I keep thinking back to animal farm. The temptation of power must be very intoxicating.

    It would have totally new and American qualities to it - for better and for worse.

    Communism with American characteristics.

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    • DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨30⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but I think communist societies do have thier own conception of democracy… It’s very complicated though (from what I can tell).

      Having lived under Capitalism my whole life, I feel under cooked on this myself. I couldn’t tell you much other than I know the Chinese have the five year Plenary session, opposition parties within the communism party, and systems of local provential governments that compete on resolving social problems.

      Vietnam has a shit load of unions.

      So there’s mass participation in these systems… Maybe that’s part of why they’re still around.

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      • copingwithelmons@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        To be fair parties themselves aren’t monoliths. I like Hu jintao’s politics a lot more than I like Xi pings. But as far I’ve seen with any communist state, they’ve always banned other parties defacto or dejure. And they did in the initial years not recently.

        USSR, PRC, PRV, DPRK.

        Having multiple parties allows for two important things: accountability and representation. Despite me disagreeing with someone’s politics I’d still want them to have some sort of representation. But it’s accountability that matters more to me.

        The aforementioned governments do have accountability in whether the keys of power and people support them or not. But it’s a far less direct form than in an actual democracy and usually very proportionally disbalanced in the favor of the keys (ministers, army, or corporations).

        But this is from my own rudimentary understanding of how it.

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