It touches animals. Same way animal tested products are not vegan. It’s about being pro animals and not using them… which begs the question, what about horse ridding? Is that against veganism?
I got to ask this next time I get…
Comment on No thanks, Honey isn't vegan
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
Wait, how is honey not vegan?
It’s literally processed nectar! Sure, the processing is done by bees, but they’re not hurt in any way whatsoever and they seem happy (inasmuch as an insect that sometimes seems to enjoy playing with balls for no practical purpose can be happy) with the arrangement…
I mean, I practically live on cheese, but I could see arguments for dairy products not being vegan given industrial farming and the whole veal thing (which is admittedly quite monstrous), but bees?
Bees are clearly where they want to be and consider the whole deal worth the hassle… they have a built-in way to show they are (sufficiently) unhappy… and a swarm that doesn’t like its current domicile or the whole collecting excess honey deal can just leave if it wants to, and sometimes do…
Paddzr@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
NotAnOtter@lemmus.org 1 hour ago
I was going to joke about “Milk is simply processed grass” but then you said
Brother, cheese is not vegan. Are you confusing it with vegetarian? Vegan = no animal derived product. Eggs, milk, wool, etc. are not allowed.
That said “is honey vegan” is debated and there isn’t really one consensus. Some vegans allow it, others don’t. The main issue is that most honeys are not harvested in ethical ways & their apiaries are not set in a way to benefit the surrounding ecology.
Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 47 minutes ago
If we’re going to consider surrounding ecology when determining if something is or isn’t vegan, I have some bad news about vegetables.