This is exactly why barely anyone discloses AI use anymore. I use AI sometimes, my colleagues use AI sometimes, everyone I know in the software industry uses Claude in some capacity. But we don’t talk about it in public because it’s become so toxic that you might as well replace a simple AI disclosure with “please witch hunt me and call months of my work vibecoded slop even if it clearly isn’t”
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erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
As a developer, I really think the reactionary response to AI is muddying the waters. Their stated use-case seems perfectly reasonable, as their options were “shit optimization with even the unity devs clueless” or fixing the bug. AI makes a great tool for some applications. No, it should not be used to vibecode entire apps alone, but it does have the power to search and aggregate sources far, far better than humans can. It will likely take some tweaking afterwards, because their output must not be trusted, but using AI as a research tool for solving esoteric dev problems seems perfectly reasonable to me. I would much prefer we not punish the people that are fully disclosing their (very limited) use, when many of the competitors simply aren’t disclosing.
popcar2@piefed.ca 20 hours ago
echodot@feddit.uk 3 hours ago
The reactionary types tend not to be developers, they tend to be people who don’t really know anything about programming or 3D modelling, or how much annoying boilerplate code you have to type just to get a rectangle on the screen.
Discussion of this topic requires technically minded people, not vague feelings.
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 23 hours ago
There are inherent problems with Ai, which makes any use of them regardless of what it is, problematic. Not everyone cares about the problems. Things like not respecting the license of training data, and other ethical reasons like Ai companies being responsible for the RAM and graphics cards shortage / price hikes.
If you ignore these problems, then we can have a talk about responsible usage and not doing slop. Regardless of what you think about Ai usage, I hope you at least understand and respect the opinion of those people too. Because its grounded with (good) reasons.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
The Steam AI disclosure requirement only applies to certain uses fwiw
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Not all LLM trainers are so caustic to the world. A few use open datasets for the vast majority of their training, like Nvidia’s Nemotron series or a few Olmo derivates.
These are also trained on shoestring budgets, with a relatively negligible environmental impact.
But are also other huge ethical concerns, like entities behind them supporting censorship, fascism and such. The erosion of the world’s mental aptitude from how it’s presented. Hacking and spamming, and so on.
…This is the thing with discussing “AI.”
It can be as nuanced as things get, but few care. Most seem to want things in absolutist terms, especially the gamers on either side of this debate.
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
There is also the legal thing to solve too, if the generated code or art can be licensed at all (assuming it does not violate any intellectual property that exists already). Because our laws grant copyright to humans only, not to animals or machines. Does the human get the copyright to anything it prompts to generate?
There are so many layers of issues. I agree with your reply entirely. I also thought about mentioning those few exceptions, but the reality is that most companies creating games use these paid proprietary online models, because they are probably the best.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I think that just exposes how flawed the copyright system is, TBH. Licensed code (and even art) was already shakey to me.
It is true that most are using Claude or ChatGPT, sadly. But I think it’s because they are the “default” and popular rather than for any particular performance reason.
erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
Oh, absolutely. However, I also recognize that we live in an era where it’s impossible to have completely ethical consumption, and I suspect many of those most vocal against any AI use are generally being more selective towards this one topic. I personally don’t begrudge the (disclosed) use of the tech for applications where it is genuinely the best option available. The issues around training data and environmental concerns (even ignoring the effects of the economic bubble) are real and valid.
For the record, I do not use AI or support AI use, but I recognize that things are shifting and it will likely become a permanent tool. Hopefully the ethical issues will be ironed out before it’s too entrenched. I suspect once regulation is in place and the bubble pops, what survives will be much more sane.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
Yes, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t do our best to strive towards that goal. And speaking up when you see something at incredibly unethical take over everything is like the least people can do.
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 22 hours ago
I personally believe it is impossible to have no ethical issues with Ai. Despite this fact, I experiment with local Ai chat tools. I used it when coding offline, to lookup ask some questions I would have asked a real user in example code snippets if it finds any issues I couldn’t see. Or how something is achieved usually, when I’m new to some stuff. That’s basically the extend of my usage in projects so far. Even if I wanted to slop more, I couldn’t, because my hardware is weak for this task (still don’t want to).
I like it for extracting text from images and translate it, generally speaking translation with Ai is much better, I play games where I know Ai was used to create it. As you see, I’m not completely against it.
But this is me personally, and I still have these ethical thoughts and it feels dirty.
erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 22 hours ago
Agree. I have been tinkering with local solutions, but nothing quite fits my use case. I have messed around with the latest DeepSeek model, and it seems quite powerful. Lower training cost and energy footprint is a plus, but still is fed by the same scraped content. I suspect the ability to write syntactically correct code and expand pseudocode will be the most useful feature of AI that persists post-bubble.