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Bluewing@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• kestrel7_7@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  who should reproduce?

  Anyone who wants to

  how do we determine who that is?

  By letting people have kids if they want

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  • kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Indeed. Any control by state, organization etc. bigger entity, leads to eugenics, as people will eventually try, to eradicate their unwanted.

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  • bantering@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Billions of people that shouldn’t have kids. The world is fucked because of this half thought.

    Harry and sally have 9 kids and live in a small shack, but they want to reproduce more. You just said they should be allowed to.

    You wouldn’t advocate for child neglect and abuse.

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    • kestrel7_7@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I obviously don’t advocate for child neglect, but I also don’t think eugenics will solve child neglect. What you’re describing is poverty, and it isn’t helped by eugenics.

      I also don’t think the earth is currently overpopulated, and it seems that our population growth will slow before the planet does become overpopulated. So I don’t think we have any need for population control whatsoever.

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• Gaslov@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The way it’s currently done is through culture. All the anti-child anti-family propaganda you see here and on reddit isn’t an accident. The exact opposite is spread through church announcements and conservative message boards. Lo and behold, the people who doom scroll reddit and lemmy have fewer children than church people and conservatives.

  The thinking, I guess, is that people who’s life situation brings them to certain circles make better or worse parents. Who comes to Lemmy? In my experience, very unhappy people. Do we want unhappy people reproducing? Well, it seems like the answer is currently “no”.

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• WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It should be a completely random lotery for a lucky 5 million people.

  They will have to have no chronic diseases though, because we don’t want to intentionaly perpetuate that.

  And no, I’m not buying the ADHD/Autism is a good thing per-se part, that will pop up anyway.

  Should also be people with higher empathy, who have an easier time learning, and a tendency for higher contribution to society.

  After that, there should be an emphasis on food consumption (people who need less food on average get a higher weight in the lottery).

  No, I don’t care if people label it as eugenics, the goal is to reduce future suffering, as I found out my shitty genes make life not really worth it.

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  • kestrel7_7@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It should be a completely random lotery for a lucky 5 million people.

    And then you go on to describe a situation which is anything but random

    Should also be people with higher empathy

    This comes off as extremely ironic given the general lack of empathy you’re showing

    After that, there should be an emphasis on food consumption (people who need less food on average get a higher weight in the lottery).

    what about this is “completely random”

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    • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Well, once they meet all those criteria, it is random.

      lAcK oF eMpAThy. Idk why people are so insistent they have to make more crotch goblins, or why its so awful that you cant have them.

      You know what? Fair, someone needs to lack empathy and say it out loud.

      There are too many of us. The more of us there are, the less all of us are worth. The less chronic diseases or other issues that would make you a reject in society, the better.

      People are going to do this anyway.

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      • kestrel7_7@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I was more talking about the persons attitude about ADHD/ASD when referring to their lack of empathy.

        There are too many of us. The more of us there are, the less all of us are worth.

        I disagree. All human life has value and it appears that our population growth will slow before we reach earth’s carrying capacity anyway.

        People are going to do this anyway.

        Some of you fascists already are, like the people advocating eugenics in this thread even though we all know what happened in WWII. You say “people are going to do this anyway,” I say, we defeated fascism once, and we’ll do it again.

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  • AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    the goal is to reduce future suffering

    Yeah, that’s what some of them said last time eugenics got popular.

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    • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      We cant stay hung up on that, just because other people messed it up.

      You don’t cull people here, don’t seggregate them, it is already being done with embryo selection.

      I mean if it will be just 5 million people, might as well push for those that others wont hate and abuse, like they did to me.

      No, you can drop me from my own lottery straight up.

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      • chunk6235@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        We cant stay hung up on that, just because other people messed it up.

        Yeah, we can’t not do eugenics just because bad people did it before and made an awful system out of it that hurt many, many people. Clearly we can do it the right way, and this isn’t just the same argument that every horrible person makes to control who can reproduce.

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