Comment on Regarding an unpaid bill
over_clox@lemmy.world 3 days agoThis was written before I was even born. Just sharing it as is, no point in editing what was literally scanned in and converted with OCR software.
Comment on Regarding an unpaid bill
over_clox@lemmy.world 3 days agoThis was written before I was even born. Just sharing it as is, no point in editing what was literally scanned in and converted with OCR software.
Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
So reproducing racism is ok if someone else at a different time wrote the original?
I honestly dont see your point.
But dislike like ratio on my comment seems to indicate I am in a minority here
gastroglizzy@piefed.social 3 days ago
To censor the racism of the past is to deny that it happened and to revise history. Life can be ugly. If we don’t preserve the ugliness, it creates the illusion that we haven’t grown as a society. It’s important to remember the way we were so we can know how far we’ve come.
over_clox@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Might as well censor all the Epstein files too right?
Oh wait…
Thanks for your perspective and understanding 👍
Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
True, but it would be nice to add that you dont want back to this ugly time if you choose to post such slurs, as this is sadly not a far Ben anymore in most parts of the world
suodrazah@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Will you get mad at Wikipedia for not blurring the images?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golliwog
Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
If they dont contextualize, yeah
Hanrahan@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’d suggest you don’t read Joseph Conrads eponymous book “Heart of Darkness” or a bunch of other books for that matter.
over_clox@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I was not one of the dislikes nor the likes on your comments, you are entitled to express your opinion and thoughts, and that’s okay with me.
I do agree with you, it is a very derogatory and offensive word. But given the context and the timeframe the joke letter refers to, why bother censoring it out altogether? At least Lemmy caught and auto-censored the transcribed text I posted.
Honestly, I scanned and OCR converted this probably like 20 years ago, and kinda blindly posted it from my old files after seeing the recent post about the 97 year old lady thankful for the transistor radio she was given.
My bad that I forgot the original text contains such a derogatory word until after I posted it, otherwise I might have censored the word out in GIMP, but its posted now, and I don’t see any point in bothering to repost a censored version.
Besides, at least to me, it would seem like listening to a bleeped out censored song, when you wanna hear the original lyrics, no matter how offensive.
I do hope you have a good day, and hopefully aside from the bad word, I hope you otherwise got at least something of a laugh.
overkrill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
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this really didnt take very long at all, and my phone sucks. like its a gigantic piece of shit and this was still not remotely challenging. laziness is a pretty lame excuse to be, at best, a useful idiot by normalizing the use of slurs. fix it or fuck off lol
over_clox@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Yeah homie, this was written before I was born, and I scanned and OCR’d it around 20 years ago. Sorry I forgot it contained a bad word, I posted it blindly after the 97 year old lady from 1982 that was thankful for the donated transistor radio.
So what? The joke of a letter is set in the timeframe of the 1930s/1940s or so. So fucking what?
Why not censor everything from the Epstein files while you’re at it.
Oh wait…
Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
First of all: I appreciate your calm and unemotional response, I really do, this is not the norm online, and my initial comment was quite snarky, so thank you for that.
To the matter at hand: I think you misunderstand me if you think I am stating cencorship (I would rather call it editing, but that’s irrelevant) as the only viable or even my preferred option.
I just think dropping it without context is not the way, a short comment “I condemn/dont like the usage of slurs in this post but left it in for historical accuracy” in the body text would be my preferred way of dealing with it, this would be possible with an edit, no repost needed.
Its okay to not be of the same opinion, especially because I am not being discriminated with the word, my opinion doesn’t matter as much as the oppinion of people actually discriminated against.
If you choose to drop the n-bomb without distancing yourself from it, I will choose to write snarky comments criticizing it, not more, not less.
No bad blood here, I wish u a wonderful day as well :)
over_clox@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Fair enough, good idea.
Done. 👍
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I think the disagreement is about whether presenting a work as-is is reproducing that work. I would say no-- unless you gain partial authorship by modifying it in a substantial manner, you are just presenting it. I think presenting works that contain views that we disagree with today can be (but is not always) okay. This gets pretty close to the line as it is being presented seemingly in line with its original intent as a joke and not as a form of commentary (I see why you might call that “reproducing” it). Overall it does not bother me since I have a fairly high tolerance for historical nastiness being presented rather than removed.
Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
In my personal opinion a good way would be to contextualize it, for example in the Bod text:
“Here is an old text I found, it contains a nasty slur I dont endorse in any way but I leftbit in for historical accuracy”
Its not uncritically using a slur or editing out, there is a middle ground
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 days ago
That’s probably the most reasonable approach, yeah
Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
So if I tell that story to my friends, without contextualizing, it wouldn’t normalize the usage of that word?
Or is the difference for you that he posted a photo, not just the text?
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Interesting question. I think it being a screenshot does matter to me, yes-- I view screenshots of other sites as a separate artifact from the text body. This could be because they are clearly separated from the “voice” of the speaker, or because they cannot be edited as easily. The slur in the image was mildly surprising, yet I was relieved to see it was not reproduced in the text of the post. I guess it’s kind of similar, in my view, to listening to a song that has the n-word in it vs singing a song that has the n-word in it.