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DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• zoltanshields@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  That being said I remember in late high school feeling pretty frustrated because I had a good grip on the rules by now and wanted to try adding some zest to my writing.

  But zest is difficult to grade, my teachers were not paid well enough to deal with ambiguity and to be honest most of them didn’t strike me as particularly imaginative in the first place.

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  • DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    aw man… but you still write, I hope?

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    • zoltanshields@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Not really. Sometimes I think about it but it’s sort of hard to find the time. My interests also just started to shift away from writing after high school.

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• yesman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Yea, it’s just that pedants deep down believe that good grammar is good writing; they don’t understand the difference. Therefore, they’re going to struggle to recognize good writing, and be incapable of producing it.

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  • gastroglizzy@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It doesn’t take a chef to spot a bad meal.

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    • supernight52@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      No- but since a good “meal” is subjective to the person eating it, one person calling it a bad meal is not a good metric to base your opinion on.

      If the meal has seasonings you don’t like, or is missing components you do like (grammar, in this case)- doesn’t make the meal bad. It just means it isn’t for you, and there is nothing wrong with that.

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      • Viceversa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        To me missing grammar is akin to a spoiled component.

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• Akasazh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I was going to ask if that went for lawyers as well, But then I realized it was obvious.

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• gastroglizzy@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  That’s why I always read the applicable statute(s) before I run red lights and stop signs and ignore speed limits.

  I know the rules, which means I get to break them, right?

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  • DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    no that’s not what that proverb means at all… but you know what you will get when you are caught.

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  • blackbelt352@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The rules and norms of writing are not the same as laws. Either contribute something meaningful or fuck off.

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• MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Bullshit. If ignorance of the rules is no excuse to avoid punishment, then knowledge of them cannot be either, because you should’ve known better.

  This whole charade is merely a loophole to allow people to avoid saying “wow, this writer is really hot, therefore they are allowed to break the rules whenever they want to.”

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  • wols@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Artistic rules are quite different from rules of law.
    When making art, you should know the rules (and especially why they exist) before breaking them because the reason why each rule exist is that we figured out along the way that most ways of breaking it lead to worse art.

    Of course, tastes are different, but the basic aesthetic sensibilities of humans living in the same culture have a lot of overlap.

    Knowing the rules leaves you much better equipped to achieve your desired effect on the consumers of your art. If you don’t know the rules of grammar, your text will likely be quite difficult to parse and, unless that was your intention or a worthwhile trade for some other effect you’re going for, this is probably sabotaging your writing.
    When you break the rules, you introduce friction. If you don’t know why they exist, the “punishment” is that your art is not perceived as you intended.

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