Comment on Is it hard for native speakers of languages that use 漢字 to learn ABC as it's different to their own?
farmgineer@nord.pub 4 days ago
I’ve met plenty of Japanese who speak fantastic English. Everyone had to study it from Jr. High here and, starting a couple of years ago, starting in elementary school. Pronunciation is very hit or miss since many of the teachers in Japan can’t even hear the difference between l/r and the like sometimes and ALT (assistant language teachers, typically native speakers of English) are rarely allowed to drive things and push more from what I read.
Many Japanese who went to uni had to pass an English test section to do so from what I understand. You can look up sample questions on the web. As such, many can read English to a certain degree, but output and listening are often issues.
My wife hated English class and never paid much attention. She’s working her way through a textbook now and she finds various aspects difficult (looking at you do as in do you like potatoes – WTF is the do doing there? Why not like you potatoes?!) The alphabet portion, though, is not an issue in itself. Pronunciation requires a lot of work but I think that’s because English orthography sucks. However, if you grow up where a whole range of sounds just map to one in your language (l/r problem again), you don’t learn to differentiate between the various points in that range and can’t hear that difference without a lot of work. Definitely so for sounds that don’t exist at all. Many people going into Japanese have trouble differentiating germinate consonants and tsu vs su.
TootSweet@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Actually… that’s a really good question. 🤔
leadore@lemmy.world 4 days ago
“Like you potatoes?” is how English used to work, before “do” started being used sometime in Middle English. It’s still preserved in things like the nursery rhyme “Baa baa black sheep, have you any wool?”, etc.
adespoton@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
The answer is: English has a Germanic grammar, not a Latin grammar.
This can be confusing since we have so much Latin syntax layered on top of that.
YaBoyMax@programming.dev 4 days ago
Ironically enough, “Like you potatoes?” Is essentially how the question would be asked in modern German (“Mögen Sie Kartoffeln?”).
farmgineer@nord.pub 4 days ago
I thought do-support was thought to have come from the Celtic influence?