Comment on Baroness Cass wants to push age for starting transitioning to 25 (NHS Adult Gender Identity Clinics)

• WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s the age we’ve decided that someone can make life changing decisions at.

  Ok, firstly discarding Gillick competence (which is legally a warzone around gender transition right now) the age that a decision is allowed to make a decision on their own healthcare in the UK is 16 not 18, unless you see trans people as inherently less capable than cos, I don’t see why you’d push the age back further specifically for gender affirming care.

  But more importantly, going through the wrong puberty isn’t life changing?

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If it’s 16, then fair enough

    But more importantly, going through the wrong puberty isn’t life changing?

    I believe whether or not the term “wrong” to describe puberty in this instance is the subject of debate, both medical and philosophical. I have even heard some claims that puberty can fix gender dysphoria (although I don’t know how scientific this is, so don’t quote me)

    If the NHS have decided not to give puberty blockers, well they have people making these decisions who are far more educated than me in this area and probably moreso than you, so I trust their judgement.

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    • WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The problem is that the decision to prevent the use of puberty blockers isn’t based on the decisions of medical experts but rather political groups more determined to erase trans people.

      The Cass review, for example has been heavily criticised for its methodological flaws.

      As someone who is both trans and with experience working in a related field of medicine it has been heartbreaking to see the NHS warped so cruelly by bigots and their agenda.

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I hope you’re doing better now. I hear other people claim that about the pro-trans side. But I do believe politics should be kept out of medicine.

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    • zedcell@lemmygrad.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You keep being told to shut up if you’re not informed on this and then repeatedly opening your mouth to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea. You’re a dangerous idiot.

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      • Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        They also went on a rant about immigrants like a month ago. I dont even think they’re actually a committed fascist or anything just a Brit whose brain has been absolutely cooked by TERF Island fascist media.

        Hopefully they are young enough to grow out of it and learn. Doubtful though.

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    • EatMoreMacroplastics@hexbear.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I believe whether or not the term “wrong” to describe puberty in this instance is the subject of debate

      Because you are an idiot who doesn’t listen to people who actually understand the subject.

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• EatMoreMacroplastics@hexbear.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Being forced to go through the wrong puberty is also life-changing. There is no course of action that is free of permanent consequences here. Kids who request to go on hormones should get hormones, as soon as they hit puberty. The odds they will not regret it are enormously higher than the odds they will. The only reason you think one of these options, the potentially life-saving one, should be flat-out illegal and one, the potentially fatal one, should be mandatory is transphobia, as the one you want to happen automatically in 100% of all cases only harms trans kids.

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What about harming cis kids?

    And why hormones and not puberty blockers? Aren’t hormones more irreversible than the purported affect of puberty blockers?

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    • EatMoreMacroplastics@hexbear.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      See, that’s the problem with you transphobes, you routinely place possible regret of one cis kid over the wellbeing of hundreds of trans kids. That’s the exact situation in the UK, you have 1 (in words: one) supposed “detransitioner” who claims she regretted treatment and the hundreds of trans kids that get denied treatment because of how her alleged mistake was weaponized and the dozens of trans kids that have killed themselves over this do not fucking matter to you. That’s pure transphobia, you prioritize one alleged cis person over hundreds of trans people because we do not matter to you.

      And why hormones and not puberty blockers?

      I don’t mind if a trans kid wants to start with blockers, most just don’t. Trans kids have a right to grow up at the same pace as cis kids, it’s not ok to force them to stay in a child’s body while everybody around them can develop just because cis people feel uncomfortable and overwhelmed with things we understand better than them.

      And even that compromise is never enough for you, it’s under attack anywhere. Why even bother arguing for that then? Why not voice what we actually demand and deserve?

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I know several people who identified as transgender before they were 18 and didn’t get treatment and no longer identify as transgender. We’d have more of these detransitioners if we did what you suggested. I could have possibly been one of them.

        It seems the issue here is suicide. Suicide can be prevented with methods that aren’t giving children life changing medication because they suspect they might be transgender.

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