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Bro. Subverting expectations ≠ pain. No one’s cried over a knock knock joke. Unless you have and in that case you’re a big baby.

I think people react that way to puns literally because of current societal pressure. Puns have existed since time immemorial, and there hasn’t been documentation for people reacting with the “ooo I hate you” response till modern times. Also those reactions are in jest almost the entire time.

The historical context also applies for farts and peens. There’s been less puritanical societies that also felt those were funny.

Also, even if ask humor is derived from suffering of others, which it isn’t, we’ve made a distinction between all types of humor and dark humor. Dark humor is jokes about morbid situations, and is not every type of joke ever.

Your argument holds no water and is a parroting of someone else’s quote, Rowen Atkinson (and possibly others but I know he said this at one point), when he was complaining that people are too pc and/or too worried about offending people.

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Aeao@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
There are different levels of pain lol. Just because we determined snake bites hurt worse than a paper cut it doesn’t mean paper cuts aren’t a version of pain.

I’ve said nothing about the ethics of jokes. If anything you can take what I said to mean all jokes are in poor taste.

I’m not parroting anyone. If I were I would have quoted him. More than one person can have a thought lol

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- agent_nycto@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Bro see a baby laughing at peekaboo and goes “hmm yesss this is pain, what dark humor”
  
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  - Aeao@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Dude that’s the easiest one lol. A baby has no object permanence. Thier parent just disappeared in front of their eyes! Thank god they came back!
    
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    agent_nycto@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Bro cries at knock knock jokes lol
    
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- petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  Have you ever audible laughed at the talent of a pun
  
  …Yes.
  
  I didn’t say this in my other comment because I wasn’t sure how to explain it, but you know that “bad puns” are just one particular genre of pun, right?
  
  I mean, I think you’re likely to describe them all as painful regardless. “It is painful that two definitions of a word are not easily reconciled,” or something.
  
  Can I ask you something? I mean sincerely, like I’m trying to understand you as a person. Why do you think this pain model of comedy is useful? You’re describing pain that is so miniscule and modest, but pointing at it nevertheless, insisting that it is pain and thus justifies what you’re saying—what is this revealing to you about the world?
  
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  - Aeao@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I just think it’s interesting. I think jokes are interesting, I think the mind is interesting.
    
    I like to understand things as well. I have really severe adhd and I like things to click and make sense. I also like patterns and I see a pattern here.
    
    I’m also honestly always looking for things to change my world view. If I was set on “this is the only truth” I wouldn’t bring it up at all.
    
    It’s not a greater commentary on the world, I’m just having a fun conversation. That’s it.
    
    I haven’t even looked this up or researched it at all, just had casual conversations with people about it a few times. It came to me because I process a lot of my emotions thru humor. I don’t really tell a lot of “edgelord” jokes or racist jokes. Mostly my jokes are pretty soft hitting absurd quips.
    
    But I watch a lot of comedy and I just noticed a pattern and chose to talk about it.
    
    There’s no grand point or motive. Just talking.
    
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    petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Everything is greater commentary on the world. Every bit of knowledge you gain is a puzzle piece that fits into a broader picture.
    
    I can understand your pain idea, but only if I stretch it out to mean a particular kind of expectation and subversion—which is how I actually understand comedy. That is, surprise is an important element of how jokes work. But I imagine that you’re interpreting the unexpected to be some form of pain: that there is some connection between the expected and normalcy, and the unexpected and discomfort.
    
    I don’t find the unexpected to be discomforting, which I think may be the root as to why we disagree.
    
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