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rdri@lemmy.world 8 months agoIf Hamas all killed themselves publicly immediately, this wouldn’t stop.
It will, for the same reason why Israel couldn’t do the genocide publicly without “creating the pretext” beforehand. Because somehow they feel satisfying public is imperative.
WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So they won’t stop - they’ll be stopped.
Israel, the dominant regional, nuclear power, have:
Established an apartheid state,
Confined their untermensch to concentration camps,
Promoted an openly hostile group to leadership of the untermensch, knowing hundreds/thousands would die, giving them an excuse to kill orders of magnitude more.
Restricted/cut water, food, power, trade and movement to the country-scale concentration camps.
Killed tens of thousands of civilians, injuring and displacing many more to advance a genocide to establish an ethnostate.
Will likely abandon democracy.
…and they won’t stop until they’re forced to.
Why are you defending this unambiguously monstrous behaviour
How much further would Israel need to go for you to condemn them
Why shouldn’t the international community (i.e. The US) step in immediately?
Is there a meaningful distinction between Novemberpogrome-era (kristallnacht) Nazi Germany and Israel you can identify?
rdri@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why at some point you say Israel needs a public reason and very carefully constructed circumstances to start the invasion, but then say that Israel will not stop this invasion unless someone makes them? This absense of logic shows that your judgement is based on how you imagine a monster in your head, not on how real events play out.
If you allow yourself to assume I’m defending Israel, then I’m gonna assume you’re defending monsters who were, by your own words, put in power by Israel, and then for years were bombing both Israel as Gaza with barely working missiles.
You refuse the idea of hamas being able to stop the invasion by surrendering, so I’m assuming those people are more important than the rest of Palestinians for you.
Why do you ask me to condemn something if, by your own words, only the US is able to stop Israel? I’m not the US and they will not listen to me.
Looking for confirmation of some magic connection between something and nazi Germany is useless and only serves your own satisfaction in placing a “bad” marker on a monster you imagined in your head. Feel free to do that without anyone’s permission.
WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If Israel doesn’t manufacture pretext, the US won’t be able to support them, which will stop the UN security council vetoes, military and financial aid, the dampener on international condemnation, and likely trigger direct intervention to stop the genocide - as it is, Biden has taken a massive hit at the polls due to his support. This is very simple, straightforward logic where’s the gap you’re insisting exists?
What are you doing here if not defending Israel? I’ve given you ample opportunity to correct the record on this point, and you’ve consistently deflected to whining about the far lesser of two evils.
Yes - I’m defending the group I called monsters (and evil in the paragraph above). You’re too stupid to sell these lies - don’t bother.
You’re going to need to explain your logic on this one. There’s zero logical connection between those statements.
Because I’m underscoring the fact that you’re defending a genocide. You’ve complained about Hamas - WHY THE FUCK HAVEN’T YOU STOPPED THEM?
I’ve drawn a pretty clear comparison between the actions of Israel and one of the most uncontroversially evil groups in history (particularly to Israelis). I’ve invited you to point to a meaningful difference between one of the greatest evils in history and the group you’re defending, and you’ve failed.
Give me a reason to think you’re not defending a genocide rather than telling lies, pointing to fictional logic gaps and insisting I’m defending a group I’m actively condemning. It’s reeeally simple “Israel are committing a genocide - a completely indefensible act, which should see their leadership tried in the Hague” or alternatively, “What Israel is doing is fine because…” - at which point I’ll continue to ridicule you for your continued moronic, genocidal nonsense.
Over to you, Rudolph Jitler.
rdri@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The gap is you thinking whatever they achieved with the “pretext” will not disappear with the last hamas members surrendering.
I’m merely pointing at elephants in the room. What hamas have been doing was a mistake and a lost opportunity for Palestinians.
Defending hamas you mean? Yes, I don’t see why anyone would do that if not for the sake of hoping they would do more useless attacks, instead of doing something meaningful in current situation.
IDF: we need to kill hamas terrorists.
Hamas: gotta hide ourselves and let them kill Palestinians instead.
You: Israel wants to kill Palestinians, not hamas. Hamas better hide themselves.
Still not seeing it?
So this is why I haven’t been seeing any discussion where people like you condemned hamas terrorists attacks in past years? Because by your logic you need to be able to do something to correct the situation in order to be allowed to condemn it? I see. But then not getting what are you trying to achieve here.
Let’s start with the fact that nazi didn’t need to construct the “pretext” that would rely on a group (that they’ve put in power) that would attack them with useless missiles. They’ve just attacked. Meaningful difference.