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rdri@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

This is very simple, straightforward logic where’s the gap you’re insisting exists?

The gap is you thinking whatever they achieved with the “pretext” will not disappear with the last hamas members surrendering.

What are you doing here if not defending Israel?

I’m merely pointing at elephants in the room. What hamas have been doing was a mistake and a lost opportunity for Palestinians.

Yes - I’m defending the group I called monsters

Defending hamas you mean? Yes, I don’t see why anyone would do that if not for the sake of hoping they would do more useless attacks, instead of doing something meaningful in current situation.

You’re going to need to explain your logic on this one.

IDF: we need to kill hamas terrorists.
Hamas: gotta hide ourselves and let them kill Palestinians instead.
You: Israel wants to kill Palestinians, not hamas. Hamas better hide themselves.

Still not seeing it?

You’ve complained about Hamas - WHY THE FUCK HAVEN’T YOU STOPPED THEM?

So this is why I haven’t been seeing any discussion where people like you condemned hamas terrorists attacks in past years? Because by your logic you need to be able to do something to correct the situation in order to be allowed to condemn it? I see. But then not getting what are you trying to achieve here.

I’ve drawn a pretty clear comparison between the actions of Israel and one of the most uncontroversially evil groups in history (particularly to Israelis). I’ve invited you to point to a meaningful difference between one of the greatest evils in history and the group you’re defending, and you’ve failed.

Let’s start with the fact that nazi didn’t need to construct the “pretext” that would rely on a group (that they’ve put in power) that would attack them with useless missiles. They’ve just attacked. Meaningful difference.

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WaxedWookie@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Jitler, I’d say I expected better, but I’m not as comfortable lying as you clearly are, and my views aren’t dependent on lies. You’re having trouble keeping your story straight and it shows.

The gap is you thinking whatever they achieved with the “pretext” will not disappear with the last hamas members surrendering.

The pretext is killing Hamas. No Hamas, no pretext. Even you can’t be this stupid - this isn’t a lie worth telling. If Israel isn’t trying to kill Hamas, are you just biting the bullet and admitting they’re committing a genocide to establish an ethnostate?

I’m merely pointing at elephants in the room. What hamas have been doing was a mistake and a lost opportunity for Palestinians.

Yeah - Hamas are bad and counter-productive. As you point to the elephant in the room, there’s a pack of genocidal monsters gunning down every Palestinian in sight… not to mention a bunch of journalists, aid workers and Israelis - you’ll have to forgive my suspicion at your singular fixation on the elephant.

Defending hamas you mean? Yes, I don’t see why anyone would do that if not for the sake of hoping they would do more useless attacks, instead of doing something meaningful in current situation.

Yes - calling Hamas monsters and many other negative things could only be because I am defending them and want them to do more useless attacks. Another lie too transparently stupid to be worth telling.

IDF: we need to kill hamas terrorists.
Hamas: gotta hide ourselves and let them kill Palestinians instead.
You: Israel wants to kill Palestinians, not hamas. Hamas better hide themselves.

Israel: We want to genocide Palestine Hamas: Thanks for the funding and helping us displace the secular moderates - I guess we’ll do exactly what we said we would and kill Israelis Israel: oh no… I guess we’ll have to genocide Palestine - can’t be helped - we couldn’t know who is and isn’t Hamas… Thanks for the continued support, US.

Difference is that I can just point to actual quotes from Israeli leaders rather than sharing - but more on that later.

So this is why I haven’t been seeing any discussion where people like you condemned hamas terrorists attacks in past years?

I wasn’t on Lemmy until a couple of months ago, so you can’t possibly be talking about me. That said, I haven’t seen it as particularly relevant to comment on it the past few years - particularly when Israel were killing orders of magnitude more Palestinians while maintaining concentration camp conditions in Palestine. The recent escalation to clear genocide changed that.

Because by your logic you need to be able to do something to correct the situation in order to be allowed to condemn it? I see. But then not getting what are you trying to achieve here.

That was your moronic logic - not mine. I’ve been comfortable condemning Israel, Hamas and the Nazis, as your logic from your last reply means that you’d need to insist Hitler did nothing wrong. It’s clear you’re struggling to keep your lies straight, so here’s a refresher…

Why do you ask me to condemn something if, by your own words, only the US is able to stop Israel? I’m not the US and they will not listen to me.

Again - this is all plain to see and too dumb and transparent a lie to be worth telling.

Let’s start with the fact that nazi didn’t need to construct the “pretext” that would rely on a group (that they’ve put in power) that would attack them with useless missiles. They’ve just attacked. Meaningful difference.

The only meaningful difference you can identify between the actions and rhetoric of Israel and early Nazi Germany is the fact that Nazi Germany wasn’t dependent on the support of an external party they needed to placate? I won’t argue with that - what do you think that says about the regime you’re running cover for?

You still haven’t managed to condemn Israel, and you’ve spent an awful lot of time whining about the comparatively minor evils of Hamas when you’ve made it clear Israel is comparable to Nazi Germany. Why is that?

Now for those quotes I promised you…

Prime Minister Netanyahu

They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,”

and

You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.

and

I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals

“Defence” minister Galant

We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly

Kallner…

Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!

Atbaryan…

erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.

Halevi…

goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”

In case you don’t remember your Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites… I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

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- rdri@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  The pretext is killing Hamas. No Hamas, no pretext. Even you can’t be this stupid - this isn’t a lie worth telling. If Israel isn’t trying to kill Hamas, are you just biting the bullet and admitting they’re committing a genocide to establish an ethnostate?
  
  Yeah I struggle to understand why you’re avoiding the whole matter of how “capture all Hamas members and release all hostages” is such a difficult concept to grasp and, therefore, a matter to fulfill. If someone actually wants to make IDF go home, that is.
  
  As you point to the elephant in the room, there’s a pack of genocidal monsters gunning down every Palestinian in sight… not to mention a bunch of journalists, aid workers and Israelis - you’ll have to forgive my suspicion at your singular fixation on the elephant.
  
  And there is also a thing that happened on October that involved quite a lot of stuff. A thing that would have prevented a lot of deaths, if it had not been done, you know. I’m not asking you to forgive my suspicion at your fixation on something that came after that. I’m telling that you are defending terrorists. Or, maybe, you even share goals with them.
  
  Yes - calling Hamas monsters and many other negative things could only be because I am defending them and want them to do more useless attacks. Another lie too transparently stupid to be worth telling.
  
  Well you’re only calling them negative things when asked about it, and only to make others accept you as an adequate person, or stuff. Pretty simple concept to grasp - express something that you don’t really feel, you know. Called a “lie”.
  
  Israel: We want to genocide Palestine
  
  That didn’t happen. Or, whatever the way you want to rephrase it, the ground operation decision was not made until what happened on October, happened.
  
  Hamas: Thanks for the funding and helping us displace the secular moderates - I guess we’ll do exactly what we said we would and kill Israelis
  
  So you’re basically refuse the idea that Hamas could be adequate human beings, and think they can only operate as machines, or instruments in someone’s hands. Too bad. It is they themselves who should take responsibility for their actions, not Israel.
  
  I haven’t seen it as particularly relevant to comment on it the past few years - particularly when Israel were killing orders of magnitude more Palestinians while maintaining concentration camp conditions in Palestine.
  
  Magnitude more than… ?
  
  You still haven’t managed to condemn Israel
  
  I don’t need to condemn Israel. They are being watched, and are a subject to investigations and prosecutions, or whatever the world community decides will be needed. Hamas is a whole different beast - there is no one to bring them to justice as there are no proper institutions in Gaza for that to happen.
  
  comparatively minor evils of Hamas
  
  Comparatively… minor…
  Okay look I got a new explanation for you. Simple one. Hamas did this to themselves, and to all Palestinians in the process. Why and how? Simple.
  
  Hamas: We enjoy killing and can’t care enough to build anything that would help our citizens in their lives. we will make them into terrorists and teach them to enjoy killing. So when Israel comes for us, they will have the whole Gaza to fight against. The more Palestinians are killed by Israel, even by accident - the more terrorists we will have at our disposal. invades Israel to mercilessly kill/rape civilians and take hostages Come at us, Israel, we need you to kill our people or else we won’t have enough terrorists. Israel: Well you asked for it. We tried our best, even gave jobs to your people and provided you for your needs but you wasted all resources into missiles instead. Too bad that you can’t get your shit together. Hamas: Thank you! Can’t wait to die as heroes from your hands and give rise to a terrorist army.
  
  Simple concept, don’t you see? Current genocide is the intended result of Hamas’ actions - they needed someone to come and kill a lot of people. Israel’s evils are comparatively minor, they are merely being used as instruments.
  
  Also, could you maybe explain why would someone call someone else Jitler, and why would someone assume someone else knows what “Torah” is?
  
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  - WaxedWookie@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If my active, repeated condemnation of Hamas is support, based on your self-contradictory, transparently dishonest, frequently Incoherent, cowardly and genocidal rambling, it’s safe to assume you’re currently raping a Palestinian baby to death, and I don’t particularly need to be a part of that.
    
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    rdri@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah I think it would help everyone to waste less time if you could spill out exactly that in the first place, instead of ramblings towards the Jitler guy and Torah stories.
    
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