Hey, I won’t stop you if you want to take the position that poverty turns the decision to carry water for an empire built on coercion, extraction, and violence into a virtuous one. Knock yourself out.
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gogonan@lemmy.world 6 hours agoYeah fuck those stupid poors who had no financial safety net or good enough education to pursue traditional employment, who wanted the option to secure a good mortgage or steady healthcare
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
gogonan@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
We all participate in unethical business, however far removed our choices may seem from it. I’m not part of the military, don’t endorse it, and am angry about how my taxes are spent on it. It’s our government and military leadership that causes these problems and should be derided though. A lot of these sailors probably joined the military fresh out of high school with nothing better out there for them and aren’t educated enough to realize they’re not doing anything good. They’re kids though, but ride your moral high ground. I’m sure you’ve never worked for a scummy corporation or consumed slave labor goods.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Cool. I guess all those ICE agents are also just fundamentally decent people, deprived of education and economic opportunity. They just don’t know any better. I guess because we all purchase goods from retail locations we’re just as bad.
People like you are the reason your country is where it is.
Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 3 hours ago
We all participate in unethical business
Incorrect. Far from everyone (who lives in NATO) does actual contribution to NATO’s colonialism.
and am angry about how my taxes are spent on it.
This is a backwards view on the matter. The government literally cannot run out of money. What taxes do is remove money from circulation. There isn’t really a difference between a government having taxed a sum of money and that government not having issues that money (apart from what people actually did for that money).
A lot of these sailors probably joined the military fresh out of high school with nothing better out there for them
Other choices being worse for these people do not make this choice morally justifiable. Surely you aren’t in favour of people taking random bribe simply on the grounds of the alternatives being less self-serving?
sudoer777@lemmy.ml 2 hours ago
steady healthcare
It seems like the ones who really need the steady healthcare are either not eligible for the military or are the ones being attacked by it
Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
Why are you pretending that they are poor, or that that is somehow a good excuse?
gogonan@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I just think willfully ignoring the fact that there’s systemic pressure that coerces the lower class into the military and then saying they deserve to be starved and sent off to their deaths in pointless war is a fucking wildly dickish perspective
Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
Poverty draft is a myth. The USian soldiers are almost all well-off.
All of them voluntarily sign up for the most vile activity one can do.Also, poverty and especially the often pointed-out desire to get higher education are not good exists to inflict poverty, torture and death upon non-white foreigners.
Also, do you think that the countries they invade have a moral right to defend themselves and kill these monsters, or do you side with the invaders and claim that these people should live?
BiCow@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I may regret responding to you but here goes…Poverty draft IS a real thing and the recruiting tactics are absolutely vile. I joined the Navy after dropping out of local community college working as a busser at a local bar/restaurant living with my grandmother and mother in the same house. The recruiters for all branches of the military are definitely predatory they get quotas to meet and signing up people for high desired or high skill positions gave them extra points. I was told that if I signed up for a 6 year enlistment I would go to college at Charleston University for 2 years, be able to have a 4 year degree after my service as well as not be deployed(ended up doing 3 back to back sea duty tours). Most of the people I served with came from a mix of stories that if played out they would not have had much to offer their families. Many people I directly worked with got in with waivers for criminal offenses and admitted that they would probably have ended up in the system and literally had no other options. The coercion that is used on vulnerable people whos literally brain is still developing is not great.
Objection@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
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