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- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
It decreases overall
Yeah, so it is not true at least in the case of the USian shutzstaffel, contrary to the original claim.
If “respond to the draft or get arrested” is your interpretation of choice
The US isn’t doing a forced draft. These monsters sign up voluntarily.
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
So insulting the military can come off as insulting the person rather than the role/entity.
I am perfectly fine with insulting individual unrepentant USian shutzstaffel troops.
Especially for Americans, who do not have much outside of propaganda being fed from every angle and barely an education, many barely read anymore. If they can barely critically think, do you think they’re at fault or are they raised/trained to just believe it? This is the general population, not elite class who have better education purposely.
Propaganda isn’t done sci-fi mind control. These people are adults that supposedly still have brains that can self-reflect and analyse their beliefs. Stop pretending as if they are helpless and not self-serving and monstrous.
The main statistic that I want to point at is a majority joined for money and education.
Which shows that they can’t be defended.
It is so incredibly silly how this ‘they just want to go to university’ (by committing atrocities) retort is being thrown around as if they don’t have the option of simply not attending a university.
You’ve seen it, we’ve all seen it. So why bring up Epstein?
Because somebody thinks that we should treat criminals the same as the military (despite criminals being a lot less harmful than the USian military). Considering that we are for some reason expected to just excuse the soldiers engaging in enslavement of foreigners, that means that so should the criminals.
but that doesn’t relate to poverty stricken individuals who I referenced
Only a small part of the USian shutzstaffel can be described so.
Again, it’s reactionary - you’re using pedophilia crime from the elite to compare to poverty related crime which is galaxies away on a morality spectrum. Killing someone from being on the brink of death for a way to survive is different than owning an island and sex trafficking humans.
You are saying that it’s perfectly fine to sign up to participate in kidnapping, torturing, murdering, and more assorted colonial subjugation of the Global South if one is poor, but that holding such people in contempt is reactionary.
Stop pretending as if they did so to survive. University is not needed to survive, and if you can sign up for the USian ss, you can find a different job.
why mention a upper class criminal again?
Because you just broadly said that criminals should be treated the same as the military when criminals do range from Epsteins who do what the military does to people who are, in fact, innocent.
And yes, you are currently saying that being essentially an Epsteinian lackey and helping to do human trafficking is fine if you are poor, so I am not sure why bringing up him rattles you so much.
Again, I understand your sediment. I’d just rather work towards deprogramming others who may be leaving the military or whatever relation to it with some grace in conversation (mostly in real life as this is what online banter is nowadays and probably always has and will) rather than attacking and letting the right (that can be reasoned with, I know some can’t be reason with) grow larger due to more alienation.
Don’t have a problem with that. And, if they do come to the understanding that what they did was bad, they will also understand the ire they were getting.
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
Put it this way: military recruitment is almost always inversely proportional to the economic wellbeing.
At least In the US, that is very much not true. The poor are actually underrepresented in the USian military. It is the well-of quantiles in the middle that are overrepresented.
Also, no, you are not forced to join the USian military.
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
If you can sign up for kidnapping, torturing and murdering people in the Global South for the Epstein empire, you can find a different job.
Also, did they suddenly forget what their military does? And also failed to think of the people on the receiving end of what this military does? How is this in any way an excuse?
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
Most of the German military had nothing to do with the atrocities committed during the war
Holy hell, a clean wehrmachter in the wild in 2026.
It’s pretty silly to claim that most of the German military had nothing to do with, for example, the Lebensraum, which included such things as the invasion of the USSR.
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Go ahead and show anything that says people who join the US military are well off.
Can’t do that right this moment, but what income quantiles do you think are the most represented in the USian genocide machine?
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I don’t think you know what everyone or really what most people in a modern military do.
Do you claim that your military was not involved in the invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iran, Palestine, as well as many other places? Or do you concede that I do, in fact, know what your military has been doing?
Anything I would sabotage that would satisfy you would kill a few hundred and affect hundreds of thousands due to nuclear fallout.
So, you couldn’t even openly refuse to follow orders from a military that is engaged in a genocide? You couldn’t leak any information to your empire’s victims? You couldn’t assault your officers or other thugs? Nothing?
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You are saying this as if combat is the only bad thing your empire does, as if colonial subjugation, kidnapping, torture, and the like are not, and as of things like military logistics are not done in service of those goals.
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
A combo of lifting equipment without proper gear because the military wants you to do things now rather than take longer to get personal safety equipment and mental health from working in one of the most stressful fields in the US military.
Hope you regret joining the genocidaire gang.
Like I said, the majority of my 5000 coworkers and I never saw an enemy combatant except maybe the pilots.
You are saying that as if combat is the only bad thing your empire does.
Notably, an Abu Ghraib torturer didn’t have to see any combatants, either.So, were you paid to do nothing, or were you paid to contribute to the most vile military in the world? In the latter case, did you engage in sabotage against your military, or did you do what the military estimated would be the best for it that you do?
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
I am already doing more than you by not signing up to torture children in the Global South
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
What is the line that you are looking for exactly to label someone “poor”?
Let’s say, the lowest 25-30% quantiles by income.
I shared with you lived experience
And somebody else can share lives experiences of soldiers from very privileged backgrounds like Platner.
the icing on the cake is just stay in prison.
I mean, now that they have participated in the genocidal military, they for sure should be in prison, or worse. Then being in prison initially might not have been just, but wouldn’t be worse for them, would it?
No one I served with was given proper informed consent on what they were actually signing up for.
They didn’t know what the USian military does?
The name of the organization is the Department of Defense which is what it should focus on.
Defending the invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan is still bad.
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
Poverty draft IS a real thing
Ok. What share of the USian military comes from poor backgrounds?
living with my grandmother and mother in the same house
Same house or same apartment? If its the former, I struggle to see how you can claim to come from a poor background.
I was told that if I signed up for a 6 year enlistment I would go to college at Charleston University for 2 years, be able to have a 4 year degree after my service
You were told you would be at least defending the most evil polity in the world, one that is currently engaged in at least one genocide, all in exchange for a university degree?
Many people I directly worked with got in with waivers for criminal offenses and admitted that they would probably have ended up in the system and literally had no other options.
So, you are claiming that they wouldn’t even be able to stay in prison?
Do you agree that the rest of the world has a moral right to defend itself against such people, including by killing them, or do you think that these people take priority and should be allowed to contribute to invasions, genocide, etc.?
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
What info do you need? Sources for the fact that the USian military participated in the invasions of Iran, Yemen, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.?
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
The US military has been like this for decades
*Centuries
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
I’d like to know where you’re getting your info that all us military service members are murderers.
Genuinely, what do you think they do, especially with weapons like guns, tanks, bombs, etc.?
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
Explain why you think that invaders of Iran, Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and many, many other places deserve better.
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
You don’t think some members may have joined before this administration
Oh? Which administration do you claim it was fine to join during?
Its not like you can just quit
They can always quit, unless they are cowards .
And if they have a family, are they supposed to just abandon them?
Why are you not as concerned about the families in the receiving end of their invasions?
Help me understand why it’s their fault they were told to do stupid shit with very little recourse.
Why did they follow up on doing what they were told about signing up to murder foreign kids?
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
We all participate in unethical business
Incorrect. Far from everyone (who lives in NATO) does actual contribution to NATO’s colonialism.
and am angry about how my taxes are spent on it.
This is a backwards view on the matter. The government literally cannot run out of money. What taxes do is remove money from circulation. There isn’t really a difference between a government having taxed a sum of money and that government not having issues that money (apart from what people actually did for that money).
A lot of these sailors probably joined the military fresh out of high school with nothing better out there for them
Other choices being worse for these people do not make this choice morally justifiable. Surely you aren’t in favour of people taking random bribe simply on the grounds of the alternatives being less self-serving?
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
do you treat criminals the same?
“Criminal” is a mich more wide group of people in the relevant sense. It includes people who are deemed such simply because of being of a “wrong race”, to people who do sabotage against the genocidal machine, to people who, indeed do some of the stuff that soldiers are very guilty of (strangely, you don’t seem to say that we should be ecstatic about people like Epstein and Maxwell).
A much better question would be “do you treat cops the same?”, but the military is still much worse.
The way you see military, many of whom are from low income without many means of survival,
Poverty draft is a myth. The USian military is mostly from well-off backgrounds.
Furthermore, if you can sign up for kidnapping and torture of foreigners for oil, you can find a different job.A criminal will steal or murder for similar reasons a person joins the military
So, you think that we shouldn’t speak ill of the likes of Epalstein and Maxwell, on the grounds that they were simply doing what the military does?
But yeah, if one intends to do kidnapping, torture, and murder for money, they can at least keep it to the Imperial Core instead of to foreigners.
So do you think they deserve humiliation and degradation?
These people that sign up to contribute to the most awful things that can be done deserve significantly worse.
Both are forced into making morally wrong choices
People who sign up for the USian military are not forced to do that.
but instead of anger at the system that creates these situations, you insult the people. It’s reactionary.
Do you think that insulting cops and ICE thugs is reactionary? Do consider that they do much less evil than the military.
So I see belittling them online as counterproductive to any type of coalition
If they are actually dependant, they understand why their former colleagues get such ire and would die with the victims and against said colleagues.
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
Poverty draft is a myth. The USian soldiers are almost all well-off.
All of them voluntarily sign up for the most vile activity one can do.Also, poverty and especially the often pointed-out desire to get higher education are not good exists to inflict poverty, torture and death upon non-white foreigners.
Also, do you think that the countries they invade have a moral right to defend themselves and kill these monsters, or do you side with the invaders and claim that these people should live?
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
All food should suck for the soldiers of your empire.
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
Why are you pretending that they are poor, or that that is somehow a good excuse?
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
They willingly signed up for engaging in colonial subjugation of the rest of the world, including by kidnapping, torturing, and killing non-white foreigners.
What do you think they had in mind?
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I bet you can imagine Russian soldiers in that position. Why not Americans?
Not the person you were asking, but pretending as if the USian/NATO military isn’t the most vile on the planet is silly.
There are plenty of places in the US where abject poverty reigns supreme
Notably, the USian “poverty draft” is a myth.
Factor in the ever present propaganda, and their fate was never their own, sadly.
You are excusing grown-ass monsters’ atrocities because they bought the propaganda as if they had no mind of their own to think that killing foreigners for oil is bad.
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
They have the option of just not going to college.
Or do you think I should be rewarded with more university by kidnapping, torturing, and killing your family?
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
Nah. These bootlickers deserve much worse.
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
If you were working for the most vile military in the world and did not engage in sabotage, you at minimum contributed by freeing some other monster from doing your task instead of directly participating in an invasion.
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
What were the causes of the injuries, I wonder.
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
Most of the USian military is from well-off backgrounds and none are forced to join.
Also, do you support the countries that these people invade to lethally incapacitate these supposedly-desperate soldiers?
- Comment on Food served to US service men & women. 2 weeks ago:
If you can join the most expensive military in the world, you are not nearly as desperate as, for example, people who survive in NATO without that.
Also nowhere near as desperate as the people whose countries NATO keeps invading.