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• FoxBJK@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s only free because they’re trusting users to donate. That method of generating income for their developers could stop working at any time. Lots of FLOSS projects struggle to find kosher funding.

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  • jkure2@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Come on dog this is literally just ‘yeah well what if we imagine a hypothetical world where MY argument is right, how about that?’

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  • woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s only free because they’re trusting users to donate.

    No, they sell their technology to Meta and Microsoft. WhatApp’s encrypted protocol that was rolled out several years ago is Signal’s. That’s also why Signal will never match all features of those messengers. They cannot drive WhatsApp and such out of business because that would mean Signal is out of business.

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    • afunkysongaday@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No. Everyone can use Signal technology for free in their own products. They are not selling it to anyone. Yes, some time ago moxie helped to integrate their encryption algorithm in WhatsApp and that’s that. Very likely that he / the foundation got paid for that service, but it’s not like Signal is funded by selling their technology to anyone. And for sure it’s not like they can’t match WhatsApp features because then WhatsApp would go down the river and they run out of funding…

      I don’t know what to say but stuff like this makes me kinda angry. You read about moxie helping implement their encryption in WhatsApp at one point, and then came up with this story that Signal is somehow mainly funded by meta and Microsoft and can’t compete with their products because it would put ms and meta out of business and endanger their own funding this way. Like, please don’t make up stories like that, OK? It’s not a nice thing to do.

      If you are really interested here are some actual facts on the matter:

      On February 21, 2018, Moxie Marlinspike and WhatsApp co-founder Brian Acton announced the formation of the Signal Foundation, a 501©(3) nonprofit organization. The foundation was started with an initial $50 million loan from Acton, who had left WhatsApp’s parent company, Facebook, in September 2017. The Freedom of the Press Foundation had previously served as the Signal project’s fiscal sponsor and continued to accept donations on behalf of the project while the foundation’s non-profit status was pending. By the end of 2018, the loan had increased to $105,000,400, which is due to be repaid on February 28, 2068. The loan is unsecured and at 0% interest.

      Source: wiki. Took me five seconds to google that. Again please don’t spread made up stories, thanks.

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      • woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No. Everyone can use Signal technology for free in their own products. They are not selling it to anyone.

        Everyone can use the AGPL version but they also sell proprietary versions to customers.

        I don’t know what to say but stuff like this makes me kinda angry.

        You are angry because I read official Signal announcements and documents that clearly says that Signal / Open Whisper Foundation is working with commercial partners?

        You read about moxie helping implement their encryption in WhatsApp at one point

        “To amplify the impact and scope of private communication, we also collaborate with other popular messaging apps like WhatsApp, Google Allo, and now Facebook Messenger to help integrate Signal Protocol into those products.” – signal.org/blog/facebook-messenger/

        Those commercial partners don’t need to comply with the AGPL and release their entire app source code under AGPL as well because: “You hereby grant to Open Whisper Systems and to recipients of software distributed by Signal Messenger a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, and distribute Your Contributions and such derivative works, as well as the right to sublicense and have sublicensed all of the foregoing rights, through multiple tiers of sublicensees, provided that in all cases, Signal Messenger will make Your Contributions available under an OSI-approved open source license.” --https://signal.org/cla/

        In case you don’t understand the Signal CLA: While contributions from outside participants will be open sourced, Signal has any right to make and sell proprietary versions.

        Non-profit open source foundations with commercial offshoots are completely normal. For a somewhat similar case but without the CLA see Mozilla Foundation and Mozilla Corporation.

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  • noodle@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Large open source projects like Signal don’t really rely on individual donations, but instead survive off wealthy supporters or sponsors.

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• supermarkus@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Signal literally exists. Free.

  Signal has fewer features than non-premium Telegram. Both are open source, neither can be used with alternative servers (unlike Matrix).

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  • cloaker@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Signal is peer to peer no?

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    • tebro@lemmy.tebro.fi ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It is not

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