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• ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yes if you are a public sector employee. There’s not an owner or management for you to negotiate against

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  • Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There definitely is management. What about people like NHS staff? Nurses, porters, doctors working in public health, are they also disqualified from union activity?

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    • ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes. All public sector unions. There isn’t a true counter party in the public sector, the union is bargaining against the people. This leads to a perverse incentive where “management” essentially agrees to anything as there’s no benefit to disagree.

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      • boonhet@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The management is government/parliament. Public sector jobs are much harder to negotiate anything because it tends to come with hard rules for every minute detail.

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      • Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If what your saying about no true counter party was to be true, we would see well paid NHS staff. Where as in the UK its been recorded that nurses are using food banks. A similar story for those working in finance, leaving university with an economics degree, people can enter the private sector which pays very well or go public like my ex partner had which pays much less.

        We also see unions in public education, again in the UK, teachers and teaching assistance haven’t seen real wage increases since the 2008 recession.

        In short I disagree, I believe with need unions in the public sector more than ever.

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